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| cmoehle | Jul 3 2006, 08:22 AM Post #1 |
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Chris - San Antonio TX
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Paradox: "...belief in individual liberty has remained the glue that, more than anything else, makes America a cohesive, and different, nation." (source) |
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Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater | |
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| teryt | Jul 4 2006, 09:27 PM Post #2 |
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I see this a result of two of the most polarizing presidents we've had in my memory - Clinton & GW. This polarization also found its way intensely into the halls of congress too where the vitriol & rancor seem to prevail to a much higher degree lately. Being a conservative, I might say it's because of those poor looser liberals just have a rodney for Bush. |
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| cmoehle | Jul 5 2006, 04:28 AM Post #3 |
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Chris - San Antonio TX
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Polarized? When both sides stand against individual liberty? More in line with the theme here, a letter to the editor: "I find ideology an easy way to pigeon-hole people into neat classifications, and personally feel that if ideology does exist, Michael Moore and Ann Coulter are one in the same. They are haters of difference, rhetorical kingpins, and masters of playing the man (or women in Ann's case!), not the issue. When a democratically elected official takes a policy to an election and wins that election, they must be given the latitude to fulfill their policy ideals. If an individual chooses to believe in a world without God, do they not have the same valid beliefs as one who does believe in God? Ann Coulter traverses the line of religious wackiness, like the Jerry Falwells and Pat Robertsons, as similar as the loony tirades of one Michael Moore. These two have more in common than America realizes. They are both intolerant of difference, quick to judge, and completely removed from a world of reality, where bad things happen." |
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| teryt | Jul 5 2006, 09:33 AM Post #4 |
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"Polarized? When both sides stand against individual liberty?" Interesting, but I can see your point. Yes, the divisiveness is what really turns me off. It is a sort of blind arrogance to judge others in this vitriolic way. Blind in that they don't see the log in their own eye, but just the splinter in someone else's. I do believe there is right & wrong, good & evil. I was watching a documentary last night about how Ronald Reagan stood up against the USSR. He called their system evil, and created a systematic approach to bringing it down. I never saw in him any hate, except for the system that limited people's freedoms and wanted to impose those limitation on others. People railed against him. Called him a hate-monger & war horse that wanted to destroy the world. He remained steadfast. He was a real leader, who saw the wrong, and didn't waiver in his efforts to stop it. |
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| cmoehle | Jul 5 2006, 11:19 AM Post #5 |
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Chris - San Antonio TX
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Right, "America, Love It or Leave It" was the epitome of tolerance for individual liberty. |
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| teryt | Jul 5 2006, 11:40 AM Post #6 |
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Don't see the connection between this & my post (re: Reagan). And besides, if someone doesn't like America, what is keeping them? |
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| cmoehle | Jul 5 2006, 12:55 PM Post #7 |
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It ties your post re Reagan to the initial theme: Paradox: "...belief in individual liberty has remained the glue that, more than anything else, makes America a cohesive, and different, nation." "And besides, if someone doesn't like America, what is keeping them?" Who's America? Example, the religious right doesn't like modern America with all its abortion and gays and pornography. Should they be told to leave? Example, Dems don't like the way the Reps run the country, should they be told to leave? Complementary example, the Reps didn't like the way Dems ran the country, should they have been told to leave? |
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