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| ngc1514 | Jul 2 2006, 06:51 PM Post #16 |
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You are selecting intelligence as the "highest order of life?" Sorry, you didn't make that clear in your original post. The value of intelligence as a tool of reproductive success remains to be seen. Homo Sapiens has been around for what? 20,000 years? Cockroaches have existed for 100 million years. I doubt mankind will exist for even half of one percent of that timespan. And if global warming is the problem some think, that might be an overly generous estimate. Intelligence doesn't do much good if we make our species extinct, does it? |
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| cmoehle | Jul 2 2006, 07:05 PM Post #17 |
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Yes, better way to put it. And from that view intelligence may do more harm than good. Instinct, intuition, even emotion may be a better guide to genetic survival. |
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| cmoehle | Jul 2 2006, 07:09 PM Post #18 |
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Teryt, here's an early depiction of your "highest order of life", from the 1579 drawing of the great chain of being from Didacus Valades, Rhetorica Christiana (source)
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| ngc1514 | Jul 3 2006, 07:15 AM Post #19 |
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Does anyone doubt that, were we able to really with other species, those species would similarly consider themselves the "highest order of life?" Or, as Douglas Adams so succinctly put it as the world came to an end and the dolphins - the REAL highest order of life on the planet - left, they said "So long and thanks for all the fish!" "Highest order of life" is not an evolutionary concept. Evolution suggests there is no striving for anything other than reproductive success. It is unfortunate that Genesis 1:26:
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| cmoehle | Jul 3 2006, 08:34 AM Post #20 |
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Another example of application of the Wedge: "Intelligent design" legislation in New York dies
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| cmoehle | Jul 3 2006, 08:38 AM Post #21 |
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Another the Wedgers of at the Design Institute are proud of: Some Medical Journals Do Publish Pro-Intelligent Design Letters Letters to editors substituting for peer-review publication of research. |
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| ngc1514 | Jul 3 2006, 09:05 AM Post #22 |
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| teryt | Jul 3 2006, 09:42 AM Post #23 |
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True - intelligence doesn't necessarily translate to effectiveness over time. |
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| teryt | Jul 3 2006, 09:46 AM Post #24 |
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Too bad. I'm hard pressed to see anything wrong with that! So we hopefully have clarity, but we will likely never have agreement on this issue. |
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| teryt | Jul 3 2006, 09:47 AM Post #25 |
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Just wondering: Do "wedgers" give wedgies? |
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| teryt | Jul 3 2006, 09:51 AM Post #26 |
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If everything was created, then supposedly the creation would realize that we were created in God's image, and made for dominion. I certainly don't agree that just because we are the highest order of creation, that this is a reason to destroy other species. This is not good stewardship at all! BTW - Very cute cartoon! |
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| cmoehle | Jul 3 2006, 10:00 AM Post #27 |
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"... intelligence doesn't necessarily translate to effectiveness over time." So Intelligence is not really an attribute or mark of the Intelligent Designer? |
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| teryt | Jul 3 2006, 11:14 PM Post #28 |
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Intelligence & effectiveness could be demonstrated together or apart. I think life is very effective, and in that it shows intelligence. (Clarity, my friend, not agreement. Although even clarity in this case seems somewhat elusive.) |
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| cmoehle | Jul 4 2006, 08:31 AM Post #29 |
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Your clarity is contradictory re intelligence and undefined re effectiveness. "I'm hard pressed to see anything wrong with that!" With this?
Emphasis mine, it runs counter the New York State Constitution Bill of Rights. "Just wondering: Do "wedgers" give wedgies?" Guess you would have to tell us what Phillip Johnson means:
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| teryt | Jul 4 2006, 09:30 AM Post #30 |
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So? People are introduced to Darwin all the time - one is known to be dead, the other's death is arguable. Look, you know my general viewpoint on the strict materialism of popular, modern science, so I can't find that much wrong with his basic premise (although he does appear to carry it to the extreme). |
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