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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 23 2006, 05:16 AM (545 Views) | |
| cmoehle | Jun 23 2006, 05:16 AM Post #1 |
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We might argue about Iraq but the Terror War is real. More Arrests Likely In Canadian Terror Probe: "Police said Monday more arrests are likely in an alleged plot to bomb buildings in Canada, while intelligence officers sought ties between the 17 suspects and Islamic terror cells in the United States and five other nations." Federal Agents Raid Suspected Terror Cell in Miami: "Officials Say Group Planned to Bomb the FBI Building in Miami and Sears Tower in Chicago." |
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| bikemanb | Jun 23 2006, 06:34 AM Post #2 |
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I thought that by fighting them in Iraq we would be keeping them over there. Were any of them Iraqui's?
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Bill, Rita and Chloe the Terror Cat For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise. Benjamin Franklin | |
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| cmoehle | Jun 23 2006, 11:23 AM Post #3 |
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"I thought that by fighting them in Iraq we would be keeping them over there." Yeah, that argument is holding less and less water. |
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| teryt | Jun 23 2006, 02:13 PM Post #4 |
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I beg to differ. The evidence (at least anecdotal) suggests that Iraq & Afghanistan has been a magnet for the slime. Then again, this lucky charm I keep on my desk does great with keeping the stampeding elephants away for nearly 10 years now! (hasn't done much for the stampeding illegals though) |
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| roscoe | Jun 23 2006, 03:16 PM Post #5 |
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How can you fight a person that kills himself so you will die. They are nuts. Wild eyed, brainwashed nuts. |
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| cmoehle | Jun 23 2006, 03:28 PM Post #6 |
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I think we're doing about the best we can. It's a new kind of old warfare we need to learn. And yet, Teryt, despite the slime in Afgahnistan and Iraq, what, a couple 100 last I heard from military estimates, the same slime are here in the US and in CA plotting away....it is inevitable. Roscoe, you have to know who they are first. |
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| Tom | Jun 23 2006, 05:12 PM Post #7 |
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Well these so called "Home Grown Terrorist" Should be tried for treason against the USA. Which should hold the death penalty as it did many years ago. It may not stop others. But at least you will not have to worry about the ones they caught. Same goes for any outside terrorist they catch.
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| cmoehle | Jun 23 2006, 05:14 PM Post #8 |
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Agreed, on the home growns, even to the death penalty--what you reap.... You need other laws for outsiders, but the same fate. |
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| campingken | Jun 23 2006, 05:55 PM Post #9 |
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Iraq and Afghanistan are TRAINING GROUNDS for these guys. Those who can fight the most modern military in the world and survive will be forces to be reconded with in the future. Ken |
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| tomdrobin | Jun 23 2006, 08:23 PM Post #10 |
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And, how did they become brainwashed to the point of planning terrorist attacks? Surely they were vulnerable for psycological reasons. But, someone had to exploit that. Could it be your friendly neighborhood Imam? For the most part these are Muslims. Not Catholics, Right Wing Protestants, Jews, Hindus or Budahists. Duh! Tell me again it's not about religion. The terrorists are just the tool of those who wish to expand their power and enfluence by using the Jihad message. Those evil incarnate right wing Christians want to put prayer back in schools, outlaw abortion, teach ID etc. Those right wing Muslims merely want to kill you. Get the picture? |
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| tomdrobin | Jun 23 2006, 08:30 PM Post #11 |
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Ken The most modern military in the world with one hand tied behind it's back. Constantly criticized and scrutinized to make sure every move is PC and civil. That's not the way you win a war. The last one we won was WWII. We weren't nice, as witnessed by the firebombing of Tokoyo and Dresden, and the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Civilian casualties galore there. But, that's what it took to get the message. It's a case of who should you fear the most. Right now many of the Iraqis fear the insurgents more than us. Being the good guy costs loss of objectives, and loss of your soldiers lives. So many of our military families are greiving needlessly, because we as a people don't have the stomach to wage war to win. |
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| cmoehle | Jun 23 2006, 08:41 PM Post #12 |
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"Tell me again it's not about religion." It's not. Here is a rather insightful, historical perspective: Tribalism is the real enemy in Iraq:
It goes on to develop that thesis in detail. |
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| campingken | Jun 23 2006, 08:46 PM Post #13 |
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Tom, Since our stated goal is to win their hearts and minds how are the hands of our troops tied? Would you have us kill say 100 Iraqi's for every American soldier killed? Perhaps we should destroy every village where we are shot at? The Germans tried this in WWII and it did not stop the resistance. Do not compare the German's to the Iraqi's as this is both a race and religious war. The Japanese were planning to meet us at the beaches with bamboo spears but their Emperor ordered them to surrender and obey the Americans after we landed. The Japanese military figured that we were out of A bomds (we were) and they were ready to have every man woman and child die for the Emperor. Tied Hands sounds like something Mr. Chickenhawk Bill O'Riely would say. It sounds good but really means nothing... Ken |
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| tomdrobin | Jun 23 2006, 08:55 PM Post #14 |
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When Muslim converts that are citizins of our country take up the message and plot to commit terrorists acts. That isn't tribalism. What about the Muslim US soldier at the start of the Iraq war who went on a shooting rampage. What tribe did he belong too? I can't understand why we can see the evils of the Christian right wing enfluence. But, fail to see the evils of religious motivation in the right wing Muslim Jihadist movement. It's the same thing! Only the Jihadists have a much more extreme agenda. Dismissing it as not about religion is just being PC. Granted there are lots of Muslims who have no call to terrorist acts. But, the are also lots of Christians who stay out of politics. But, that doesn't change the fact that extreme points of view come from the same source. |
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| cmoehle | Jun 23 2006, 09:07 PM Post #15 |
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I see the evils of Islamic fanatics, and the negative influence of Islamic fundamentalists, and the terror of Islamic terrorists. What does that add up to. 1% of Muslims? All your examples fit the concept of tribalism. They sure don't fit the basic tenets of Islam. --Any more than do Christian fanatics Christianity like the Westboro Baptists protesting the funerals of fallen soldiers. |
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