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Wmd Found! Wmd Found! Wmd, Aw Nuts!
Topic Started: Jun 22 2006, 05:15 AM (490 Views)
cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Santorum hit the news media with announcement WMD had been found.

On Fox, an hour was devoted to the discovery. Santorum reveal classified documents to prove it. Hannity was elated: "This is exactly what we suspected he had!" But he failed to ask for details. Colmes reminded everyone Fox had already debnked the story earlier. "“Jim Angle, who reported this for FOX News, quotes a defense official who says these were pre-1991 weapons that could not have been fired as designed because they’d already been degraded and the official went on to say these are not the WMD’s this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had and not the WMD’s for which this country went to war."

Oh, well.

a source. Some video: Quick Time, Windows Media.

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roscoe
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Chris the only wmd's are in our white house. Which by the way has turned gray.
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cmoehle
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Gas? Might account for the hot air that comes out of there now and then.
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abradf2519
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From the Fox news story:
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Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.

"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."

The official said the findings did raise questions about the years of weapons inspections that had not resulted in locating the fairly sizeable stash of chemical weapons. And he noted that it may say something about Hussein's intent and desire. The report does suggest that some of the weapons were likely put on the black market and may have been used outside Iraq.

He also said that the Defense Department statement shortly after the March 2003 invasion saying that "we had all known weapons facilities secured," has proven itself to be untrue.
"It turned out the whole country was an ammo dump," he said, adding that on more than one occasion, a conventional weapons site has been uncovered and chemical weapons have been discovered mixed within them.



The Reality? No one can say there were no WMDs in Iraq. No one can say that Terrorists couldn't have gotten some, because it looks like some may have. Fortunately, they have degraded and pose no immediate threat. Those who are against the war in Iraq are loosing credibility as time goes on.
Alan
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cmoehle
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And those for the war are as well. Anyone who argues from unknowns loses credibility.

But this was not about the WMD that might have led us to war, it was about some pols and pundits sensationalizing for voters and advertisers.

BTW, I support the war. And the troops. Just not phoneys like Santorum and histrionic heart-on-his-sleeve liberal Hannity.
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cmoehle
Jun 22 2006, 01:50 PM

BTW, I support the war. And the troops. Just not phoneys like Santorum and histrionic heart-on-his-sleeve liberal Hannity.

OK, I have to ask, if Hannity is a liberal, what is Combs?

BTW - I'm not a big Hannity fan, as I don't like all the sensationalism he allows himself to get into (also biggest complaint I have with Fox News). Like Limbaugh, he is an entertainer 1st, looking for ratings.
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cmoehle
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Combs is another liberal, just less whiney and tear-jerking than Hannity. Does Beavis and Butthead still get a laugh? Limbaugh'd be OK if not so arrogant.
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Yeah, but that's his shtick as an entertainer. I just get tired of the constant divisiveness - that's why I prefer Pregar.
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cmoehle
Jun 22 2006, 07:50 AM
But this was not about the WMD that might have led us to war, it was about some pols and pundits sensationalizing for voters and advertisers.

I don't know if I agree with this spin. What difference does it make really? A WMD is a WMD, no matter when it was made. How specific was Bush about WMDs being made after 1991? I know that the accounting of the WMDs was way off, and the UN inspectors were specifically looking for these to see if they were still hanging around. Looks like they were.....This also was one of the reasons given by Bush for the war, repeated issues with inspections, and accounting problems.
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teryt
Jun 22 2006, 11:48 AM
OK, I have to ask, if Hannity is a liberal, what is Combs?

BTW - I'm not a big Hannity fan, as I don't like all the sensationalism he allows himself to get into (also biggest complaint I have with Fox News).  Like Limbaugh, he is an entertainer 1st, looking for ratings.

Well there is a liberal, then there is a "liberal", depending on who you talk to. The Canadians and Europeans think a liberal is something different than we do. Chris uses this definition IMHO.

To me, using the generally accepted definition here in the US, Hannity is a conservative and Combs is a liberal.

I agree, they are entertainers, but what do you expect to see on TV? Real journalists would be too boring for most people.
Alan
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cmoehle
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Because the administrative claim was active WMD programs. Active. A key word. Active, current, in progress, etc.

Remember the mushroom cloud scare?

Accounting? One wonders if Saddam even knew he had them.



"To me, using the generally accepted definition here in the US, Hannity is a conservative and Combs is a liberal."

Hardly. A conservative stands to limited constitutional government. Social conservative, OK--but they are more liberal than liberal when it comes to big government and spending.

Now a more proper term, beginning to develop in opposition to progressives, is populist. Combs a progressive, Hannity a populist.


I don't find Britt Hume boring.
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cmoehle
Jun 22 2006, 04:00 PM
Because the administrative claim was active WMD programs. Active. A key word. Active, current, in progress, etc.

Remember the mushroom cloud scare?

Accounting? One wonders if Saddam even knew he had them.

Yes, active was one of the reasons given and these don't satisfy that, but the accounting issues of the existing WMDs was also a reason if I remember correctly.

I am sure that Saddam is a quite a liar. We will never get any straight truth out of him. The sooner he is dead the better.
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cmoehle
Jun 22 2006, 04:00 PM
"To me, using the generally accepted definition here in the US, Hannity is a conservative and Combs is a liberal."

Hardly. A conservative stands to limited constitutional government. Social conservative, OK--but they are more liberal than liberal when it comes to big government and spending.

Now a more proper term, beginning to develop in opposition to progressives, is populist. Combs a progressive, Hannity a populist.

Maybe....but most people don't use the term "populist".

Hannity isn't a fan of big government spending, so I don't think you can use that to say he isn't conservative. His radio show is on from 3 to 6 every day. Occationally I listen to him and usually hear him say bad things about big spending.

The callers drive me nuts. "You're a great American!" for Hannity and "Mega dittos" for Limbaugh. Silly stuff.
Alan
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Stockpiles may have been mentioned. We could argue does 500 constitute a stockpile, but the military and administration don't think so.

"Populist" is just becoming popular.
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cmoehle
Jun 22 2006, 04:12 PM
"Populist" is just becoming popular.

:floorrollin:

I agree, it is hard to concider 500 WMDs scattered all over the place as a "stockpile'. Easier for terrorists to get them though...

I wonder how ineffective these WMDs were? If they were detonated, does this mean it would kill nobody, 50 people, or 500 people instead of 5000 people?
Alan
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