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War In Iraq
Topic Started: Jun 14 2006, 11:58 AM (108 Views)
cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
On Texas Public Radio this morning Ted Koppel was interviewed on the war in Iraq. One thing struck me as true. He said, paraphrasing best memory will serve, we've stirred up a hornets' next over there and if we take as given Iraq is in chaos right now then it would be not only a strategically bad move to exit now, but also a morally bad move to make as well.
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
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campingken
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Noble speeches about morals are nice and patriotic but NOTHING about Iraq is worth the life or health of my sons.

Ken
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TexasShadow
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Jane
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Noble speeches about morals are nice and patriotic but NOTHING about Iraq is worth the life or health of my sons.


Having two sons myself, I can empathize with your feelings, but where would we be if no one sent their sons to fight in the Revolution or the Civil War?
Or WW2?

This war with Iraq is not about Iraq, even though that's what our president seems to focus on. This war is about establishing the seeds of democratic/secular ideals into the heart of Islam.... if possible.
And the surrounding islamic nations know this, which is why we are so hated for it because it threatens their feudal theocratic dictatorships.
Freedom is addictive and contagious, and therefore very dangerous to the masters of Syria and Iran and Saudi Arabia, etc.
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campingken
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Jane,

My oldest was an Army Ranger for 4 years 2001 (pre 9/11) - 2005) and has fought in both Iraq and Afghanistan. The reasons keep changing so I don't know why we invaded but at least to me it is glaringly obvious that we didn't have any plan outside of "Shock and Awe" and that was a flop based on the fact that we have been fighting the same few "dead-enders" for more than 3 years. I support the war on terror but that is not what Iraq is about.

I am not aware of any nation that accepted American style Democracy when offered at gun point.

Ken
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TexasShadow
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Jane
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I am not aware of any nation that accepted American style Democracy when offered at gun point.


well, that's the problem (for me) with this Iraqi thing.
are we helping some Iraqis achieve a secular freedom from religious/political tyranny or not?
is it possible? I don't know because I don't know how many iraqis really want that.
we only see the fighting between the religious divisions and the ones against our interference.
we don't get a balanced view of this thing because our reporters tend to concentrate on the violence instead of taking us into the villages and streets to tell us what the average iraqi would like to have (but is too scared to speak up)
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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Perhaps the reasons and methods are all wrong, but how can we morally walk away and leave the entire region to possibly, likely erupt in war? Not sure how much I buy into the noble notion of spreading democracy, but we did go there to liberate, and need to leave them stable and secure enough to determine their future.
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
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