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Us & Iran's Nuke Program; Can this really work considering . . .
Topic Started: Jun 6 2006, 03:25 PM (955 Views)
teryt
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I don't know much about either of these guys (Robertsom & Falwell) at all, but didn't know that either advocating wiping a country off the map.
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teryt
Jun 18 2006, 12:44 PM
There are religious implications in NK too, as their leader thinks he's a god (or at least the some of one) - as many of the people there do too!

Oh, I'm not so sure about the last part, Brad..... I don't know much about him, but I suspect he is "worshipped" at rifle-point, in the finest traditions of Chairman Mao and Saddam Hussein.
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Jun 19 2006, 07:59 PM
teryt
Jun 18 2006, 12:44 PM
There are religious implications in NK too, as their leader thinks he's a god (or at least the some of one) - as many of the people there do too!

Oh, I'm not so sure about the last part, Brad..... I don't know much about him, but I suspect he is "worshipped" at rifle-point, in the finest traditions of Chairman Mao and Saddam Hussein.

Who's Brad?

I know an Englishman, based out of China, who visited NK on business for about a week. He said it was the strangest place he had ever been. His perception is that people really believe the stuff that Kim Jong feeds them. After all, it's been over 50 years that they've been subjected to this, with very little awareness of the outside world.

People who have escaped have indicated some really warped ideas about most everything. One is that they really do believe Americans are cannibals, and will eat their young when we invade (notice I didn't say "if"). :eek: :screwy:
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teryt
Jun 19 2006, 02:35 PM
I don't know much about either of these guys (Robertsom & Falwell) at all, but didn't know that either advocating wiping a country off the map.

Just non-Christians.

Again, fortunately, we live free under a secular Constitution.
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Is this what you call taking the bull by the horns?

Bush warns Iran not to reject nuclear offer and Rice Warns N. Korea Against Missile Test.
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Jun 19 2006, 10:42 PM
teryt
Jun 19 2006, 02:35 PM
I don't know much about either of these guys (Robertsom & Falwell) at all, but didn't know that either advocating wiping a country off the map.

Just non-Christians.

Again, fortunately, we live free under a secular Constitution.

Really? I musta missed that. They actually said that all non-Christians should be wiped off the map?

Go Bush & Rice (ain't she hot? :lol:)!
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Know-nothingism.


Can we handle both at once, in addition to Afgahnistan and Iraq, and let's not forget the Terror War!
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Jun 20 2006, 01:04 AM
Know-nothingism.


Can we handle both at once, in addition to Afgahnistan and Iraq, and let's not forget the Terror War!

"Know-nothingism" Is that a religion of some type?

But what are you refering too, fighting Iran & NK at the same time (with everything else)?
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No, it's arguing about unknowns, which is not a good argument.


What am I referring to? Well, we're threatening Iran and we're threatening North Korea and we're fighting in Afgahnistan and we're fighting in Iraq and we're fighting the global war on terrorism. Can we afford that? Do we have the troop strength? The public support?
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Good questions of course. Just don't let 'em see you sweat! In the genre of "[talk] softly but carry a big stick."
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Right, but remember, as you say, they're just fanatics, religious fanatics, who want to wipe people off the face of the earth. Not letting them see you sweat, won't make much of a difference.
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Earlier, Teryt, you mentioned the Iranian street. Found this over on conservative NRO.

The Iranian Street: We should help an increasingly restive population against its rulers
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...Osanlou rose to prominence last December when, as president of a bus drivers’ syndicate in Tehran, he helped organize a protest against the drivers’ work conditions. The protest was mild: Drivers showed up on the job but refused to collect tolls, giving free rides to their passengers. Iran’s rulers nevertheless arrested several of the drivers’ leaders, including Osanlou.....

“There’s probably not a day when some workers’ organization is not demonstrating outside some government building somewhere in Iran,” says Iran scholar Michael Ledeen. These demonstrators work in many industries — from textiles to mining to sugar processing — but they have a common grievance: They aren’t getting paid. Banafsheh Zand-Bonazzi, a native of Iran who writes frequently about events in that country, estimates that “there are somewhere between 8 and 11 million workers who have not been paid for anywhere between three and 25 months.” Many are employed by state-owned enterprises; others work for “factories owned by people close to the regime.” These workers are aware of Iran’s staggering oil wealth. They see the opulent lifestyle of the ruling clerics. Not surprisingly, they direct their anger at the regime.

To take just a few more examples of the unrest: In February, 200 miners who had gone without pay for a year traveled to Tehran to protest in front of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s office. In November of last year, 1,000 textile workers who hadn’t been paid for eight months demonstrated in front of Iran’s parliament building. And a group of glass workers recently got so mad that they set their factory on fire.

Such concentrated anger presents an opportunity for the West....
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LOL, when I was a kid in Virginia, Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell would be frequent dinner guests. I learned a lot from those dinner conversations. I was not at all surprised when "uncle Pat" suggested that we murder some, recently on TV.

How did Fallwell become a national figure? He was a minister in a very small church in Lynchburg, Virginia. The day after the supreme court ruled for integration of races, he opened a private school for the white folks that were horrified at the thought of white kids having to be in the same school as "those people".

I consider both of these to be bigots and religious fanatics and no less than the bigots and fanatics in Iran or Darfur.

I have read the Bible. I have read the Koran. These fanatics are way beyond what their scriptures say. We currently have one in the white house, with his finger just itchin' to push that button.

But look to history. These idiots are thrown out and the population regains its rights, eventually...
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A little research of what was going on in Iran before 9/11 and the famous "Axis" line in the SOU speech would showed that the mullahs were having increasing trouble keeping control. Then came the speech, the threat of the "Great Satan" was used to whip the population into line, and many that were very unhappy shut up because of their prior experience with our meddling with their internal affairs.
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Just out today: Former Mossad Chief: Iran Weakening, May Do Deal
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