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Us & Iran's Nuke Program; Can this really work considering . . .
Topic Started: Jun 6 2006, 03:25 PM (956 Views)
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Likely why 55% said no, duh. If no, then isn't diplomacy the better approach for now?
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Jun 16 2006, 05:22 PM
Likely why 55% said no, duh. If no, then isn't diplomacy the better approach for now?

Well, like "duh" - of course! For now - let's see where it leads. Bottom line, are we willing to see a nuclear weapon producing Iran?
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Isn't that what we are diplomacy-ing against? Of course, if they persue nu-cu-lar weapons, we should stop them, it's in our interests. But if diplomacy will get us that, and more, economically, then let's try that first.
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Yes, and let's hope that we can do it effectively, and not look like suckers in the end.
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I guess the trouble I have with understanding your position on this, Teryt, is you seem to think the Iranians made the offer and they are tricking us with a Trojan Horse of sorts. I thought we made the offer.
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Jun 17 2006, 11:42 AM
I guess the trouble I have with understanding your position on this, Teryt, is you seem to think the Iranians made the offer and they are tricking us with a Trojan Horse of sorts. I thought we made the offer.

Were that things were so simple. I suspect they may have been pushing all the hate rhetoric in an effort to stimulate an offer by us. I suspect they will use this as more time to carry on their activities. I suspect that mean to do us harm, based upon what many of their leaders have said, over the years.

Did I mention I suspect them?

If they are intent on bringing about their version of Armageddon, they will use any means of trickery & deceit possible. They have a very Machiavellian way of looking at things, IMHO.
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But we were the ones who made the offer. We might question our motives, but not theirs in our offer. We might question theirs in answer to ours.

That's why I suspect the diplomatic offer has nothing to do with your suspicions. I guess that's where I got confused. Sure, I'm suspicious too. But Bush must have his reasons.
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Politics, diplomacy & religion - what an interesting mix!
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So it's a religious war?


What about NK? NKorea threatens to 'wipe out' US forces in case of war. Which is the greater threat? What approach is being taken in each case?
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Religious in the aspect of Iranian extemists wanting their version of an Armegedon. It's hard to determine how many in their leadership believe this and how far they'd go, but their president isn't the only one.

There are religious implications in NK too, as their leader thinks he's a god (or at least the some of one) - as many of the people there do too!
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And religious implications in the political rants of fundamentalists like Robertson and Falwell and a few others.
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They're Iranian?
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The parallel is with Iranian fundies and religious nuts.
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Hmmm, wasn't aware Robertson or Falwell were bent on annihilating anyone.
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Gotta read the news a little more. Fanantics talk crazy like that. Fortunately in this part of the world they have little or no power or we'd all be in trouble.
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