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Us & Iran's Nuke Program; Can this really work considering . . .
Topic Started: Jun 6 2006, 03:25 PM (957 Views)
teryt
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New news today - surprise!

Iran confirms stepping up nuclear activities

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A report from the International Atomic Energy Agency obtained by AFP on Thursday said that Iran had accelerated uranium enrichment on June 6, the same day world powers asked it to halt the work and open talks to guarantee it will not make nuclear weapons.
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cmoehle
Jun 9 2006, 04:22 AM

In other words, let's step back from populist nationalism and let free market economics decide the issue. Isn't that what the Bush offer is all about?

I am not personally supporting that idea, but it does seem to be what is in play right now.

I think Iran will get its nukes, and the world will do nothing.

Will Iran give the nuke to a terrorist? I think not....but you never know....
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Teryt "New news today - surprise!"

You seem pleased that diplomacy might fail. Why, if I might ask?
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teryt
Jun 8 2006, 10:38 PM
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Jun 9 2006, 01:43 AM
I have a different theory. I think the Iranians are just buying time. I think they really want a bomb. Why? Because they want it as a defensive weapon against a US invasion.

I think that the "Arab street" was very supprised when we actually invaded Iraq. They expected us to cave into Eurpean pressure to seek yet another diplomatic solution.

They see the west as decadent.
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Marked by or providing unrestrained gratification; self-indulgent.
They think we are too weak to stand up to them. In the case of some European nations, this is true. They underestimated us though. I think this is why there has been no major terrorist attack here.

They now realize that they cannot push us around with terrorism like they did Spain. So they need something else. That thing is nuclear weapons.

You are wise oh Yoda-won.

Not to get a big head, will try! :floorrollin:
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Jun 9 2006, 04:58 PM
Teryt "New news today - surprise!"

You seem pleased that diplomacy might fail. Why, if I might ask?

Not at all! I would like my world to be peaceful & not have these kinds of things lurking around. It makes the outlook on life in general look so much better!

Why would you think I would be "pleased that diplomacy might fail?"

But personally, I wouldn't go to Vegas on the odds that it will work, given my suspicions of what the Iranians seem to be up to.
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The way you said "New news today - surprise!" Sounded excited, happy, pleased, exuberant!

I must have misread you, sorry. :)
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All for the larger "good" of diplomacy - here's a interesting article:Judge Dismisses Khobar Towers Case Against Iran

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At one point, lawyers for the victims asked Freeh, "Did the FBI learn of the involvement of any foreign government in the attack?" Judge Robinson struck the question, and insisted on directing the questioning herself after that.

Freeh went on to testify that six suspects, arrested by the Saudi authorities and interviewed by the FBI – including by him personally – "admitted to us that they were members of Saudi Hezbzollah . . . They implicated several Iranian officials in funding and planning the attack."

Freeh named Iranian government officials who organized the attack, provided funds, and assisted in the logistics of preparing the bomb.

"My own conclusion was that the [Khobar Towers] attack was planned, funded and sponsored by the senior leadership of the Government of Iran," he said. "All the training and the funding was done by the IRGC with support from senior leaders of the Government of Iran."

But Judge Robinson found that evidence from the former FBI Director uncompelling.

At key points during the hearing, the Judge called the court into recess, disappeared into her chambers, then re-emerged to read out long lists of questions, apparently dictated to her by others, that sought to impeach the testimony of both Freeh and Watson.

A long-time observer of the DC District court who himself has tried terrorism cases repeatedly called Judge Robinson's courtroom behavior "disingenuous," "out of line," and "in violation of federal rules of evidence."

Michael Engelberg, whose American Center for Civil Justice sponsors lawsuits on behalf of victims of state-sponsored terrorist attacks, said he suspected the judge was having "ex-parte communications" during the recess, and was calling State Department lawyers for instructions.

Ex-parte communications by judges with the executive branch are normally barred under the Constitution.




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They just can't keep their mouth shut - but this is their idea of diplomacy I guess.

Iran would 'use nuclear defense' if threatened

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Iran's defense minister on Thursday vowed that his country would "use nuclear defense as a potential" if "threatened by any power."


But they said they didn't have them, but now they say they'll use them, but but but Oh, I'm so confusatated! :bs:
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Would, not will. Shouldn't they, defend themselves?


Meanwhile...

Senate. endorses Bush approach to Iran. 99-0.

Most Americans do not see Iran as imminent threat: poll. 55%.


But there's still hope for you: A Final End to History? Bush's Armageddon Wish:
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Bolton told the Financial Times (June 9) that the Bush Regime has no intention of reaching an agreement with Iran. Time is running out for diplomacy, Bolton told the Financial Times.

Iran has a short time remaining in which it can give up its right under the non-proliferation treaty to enrich uranium for nuclear energy or be attacked. Bolton said that US security guarantees for Iran "were not on the table."
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The "Conspiracy Planet" article is a bit far fetched IMO.

I think the Leaders in Iran are using the nuclear issue, with which they desire to provoke a confrontation, to solidify nationalistic support, and silence their domestic detractors. I don't think we will ever attack Iran with nukes or other wise. But, I think there is a good possibility our surrogate Isreal may.
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Jun 16 2006, 03:00 AM
The "Conspiracy Planet" article is a bit far fetched IMO.

I think the Leaders in Iran are using the nuclear issue, with which they desire to provoke a confrontation, to solidify nationalistic support, and silence their domestic detractors. I don't think we will ever attack Iran with nukes or other wise. But, I think there is a good possibility our surrogate Isreal may.

Ditto on the "Conspiracy Planet" - actually just a bunch of extreme left wing crap, IMHO.

Chris: What on earth are you talking about: "But there's still hope for you"!? Are you trying to stereotype me in some twisted way? This is the 2nd time you've mentioned something along these lines - this spaghetti is not sticking.
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The Conspiracy article aligned well with your previous posts, Teryt. Because your posts are negative, I just keep getting the feeling you want to see diplomacy fail. It has nothing to do with you personally, this is a political forum.
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Jun 16 2006, 09:40 AM
The Conspiracy article aligned well with your previous posts, Teryt. Because your posts are negative, I just keep getting the feeling you want to see diplomacy fail. It has nothing to do with you personally, this is a political forum.

You may perceive my previous posts as negative, but I think that's just a reflection of how things are with Iran. They are playing a dangerous game, with many of their top players having some sort of Armageddon death wish it seems. So in talking about this, yes, what could be more negative? As I've said, my wish is to lead a peaceful existence where I can enjoy life, my family, RVing, etc. Iran posses a perceived threat to me & western culture (as their maliciously boastful president is quick to point out).

Don't shoot me - I'm just the messenger!
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Perhaps if you explained your position I wouldn't have to guess what the message is. What is your position on Bush's diplomatic efforts? Isn't that the topic?
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cmoehle
Jun 15 2006, 07:10 PM

Seems to me the word "imminent" is placed here to skew the results. Of course it isn't an "imminent" threat, they haven't made the bomb yet. Duh....
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