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| Us & Iran's Nuke Program; Can this really work considering . . . | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 6 2006, 03:25 PM (954 Views) | |
| teryt | Jun 6 2006, 03:25 PM Post #1 |
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U.S. to Give Iran Time on Nuclear Package This is the big game of world affairs right now. I know we gotta try, but do you see this as ultimately working given that Iran has been so extreme & with their long history as probably the world's biggest supporter of terrorism? Is this just another ploy to keep us fiddling away?. Of course, the US wants to show that it's trying too - maybe just keep those new bunkerbusters on the back burner just in case. The other news on that front today is that we could handle an Iranian oil shutdown much easier than they could. These two news items have caused the highly speclative oil market to drop today. Energy Secretary says we can handle it |
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| pentax | Jun 6 2006, 07:06 PM Post #2 |
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I simply don't have the technical knowledge to know if civilian uses and military uses are similar enough to apply one to the other - which I would NOT want to see. And the more discomforting thing is that we have to rely on our government to know and to tell us what is safe and what is not.... discomforting, because we've been fed a load of bull, and told what we want to hear, by every Administration and it's supporters since I was old enough to tell the difference (and I'm by no means just talking about America). Which pretty much sets the stage for answering the second item in your post - what ELSE would he be expected to say?
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| cmoehle | Jun 6 2006, 07:13 PM Post #3 |
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Bush policy has for some time shifted from military to diplomatic action. We invaded Iraq, but have talked since. If it works, it will benefit all, and that's good. Could it fail? Of course. I believe Iran is merely bargaining for aid, and the offer seems to address that. On the other hand, the of Ahmadinejad's preparing for the second coming of the Mahdi, the 12th Imam, borders on fundamentalist fanaticism, so I have little trust there. Is it a ploy? On our part? Only in the sense that it lays down the gauntlet of take it or leave it. |
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| roz | Jun 6 2006, 07:22 PM Post #4 |
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Quote: Bush policy has for some time shifted from military to diplomatic action. We invaded Iraq, but ave talked since. If it works, it will benefit all, and that's good. Yes, I agree, this is good, I think they were forced into taking the diplomatic route this time. Maybe cooler heads will prevail this time. |
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| Lon Frank | Jun 6 2006, 08:09 PM Post #5 |
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Waaaade a minute here! I've kinda been behind the door lately, but I thought it was a given that Iran had or soon would have nuk capability in weapons. Wasn't the real fear that they had no delivery system? Now, good old, dumb as a rock, Uncle Sam waddles over and offers to help out with the nuk program, and at the same time, throw in some AIRPLANE PARTS!!! Don't know just what they would be, but I sure as hell would hope that extra-large gas tanks aren't on their parts list! If I was Isreal, I'd sure be busy building shelters. Come to think on it, this whole thing kinda plays into my 'fearless frank' prediction that the Jews would have to make a pre-emptive strike against Iran. I'm sure we're helping them out with a few 'parts' as well. |
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| pentax | Jun 6 2006, 10:04 PM Post #6 |
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Likewise, if I was Iran, I'd be thinking this whole thing over pretty carefully - if memory serves, it's been "Israel: umpteen / Everybody Else: zip" since Day One.
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| teryt | Jun 6 2006, 10:52 PM Post #7 |
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This could be part of a grand scheme by Iran to get aid - following in the example N. Korea laid down. But I have to suspect the mulahs will at the same time use it to buy more time toward their march into the nuclear club. |
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| cmoehle | Jun 7 2006, 05:06 AM Post #8 |
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Not sure how a US-led diplomatic offer implies grand scheme on the part of Iranians. Headlines this morning are hopeful. Aren't you, Teryt, hopeful? |
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| bikemanb | Jun 7 2006, 06:30 AM Post #9 |
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We need to solve this by any means but force, short of a draft and even more massive deficits we cannot handle another case of "bringing it on". |
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| teryt | Jun 7 2006, 09:12 AM Post #10 |
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And I don't know if we can handle a nuclear Iran, or want to. N. Korea, with it's nut case King-God is bad enough, but Iran has an un paralleled history of terrorism support, and now is making all these boastful & wild threats. Some may say it's all just grandstanding to get our attention so that they can be included to suck on the teet of US foriegn welfare. If that's all it is, then OK. But the real problem occurs that after they "make love" to us, they might turn around & bite us hard - even using the milk they got from us. (Like the proverbial scorpion asking to ride across the river on the turtle's back.) Chris - What headline? |
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| cmoehle | Jun 7 2006, 09:20 AM Post #11 |
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"Headlines this morning". In the news. Just a few from Google news: Iran's Positive Response Offers Hope Iran Open to Incentives on Nuclear Talks, With a Hedge Iran prefers cooperation to confrontation Iran offer is negotiable if enrichment stops-Merkel Oil eases after Iran nuclear move Iran keen to have more talks on nuclear deal Incentives presented to Iran, chance to rebuild Tehran-West trust ... One can always hope. |
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| teryt | Jun 7 2006, 09:59 AM Post #12 |
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Encouraging headlines, to be sure. But forgive me for being sceptical, because knowing some of the things Iranian officials have said over the years causes me to be that way. They have essentually stated that they would draw us into a sucker's game. I just hope we proceed wisely, and that we don't get suckered in by a ploy. |
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| cmoehle | Jun 7 2006, 10:11 AM Post #13 |
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So you think Bush is a sucker?
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| TexasShadow | Jun 7 2006, 10:33 AM Post #14 |
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I figure it's a conspiracy of sorts. we let (help) them put a rope around our necks, and then we retaliate with righteous justification. |
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| teryt | Jun 7 2006, 03:36 PM Post #15 |
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Maybe we figure we'll just have to be more careful to go through the motions, that is, we know the Iranians are playing a game - so call their bluff & then come down hard (not excluding military force) when they don't follow through. |
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