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| Constitutional Amendment; A theological perspective | |
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| cmoehle | Jun 6 2006, 02:35 AM Post #16 |
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No kidding, flag buring is far more important an issue! Jane "But, without the Fed gov in it, each state's laws would not necessarily be recognized in another state. you might end up in jail in Texas for something that was perfectly legit in New York. etc." Isn't that the way it is now? Most states recognize each others laws out of self-interest. The answer to your question though can be found in the Federalist Papers, #10, where Madison considers the problem of factions forming a tyranny of the majority. Limiting the federal government to enumerated powers, and leaving the rest to the state and the people, eliminates that problem, as well as political pandering to special interests. The idea is each state is supposed to be able to experiment with what works best and in time, as that solution is found, adjust to and adopt it. This is spontaneous order in action, as opposed to judicial activism or legislative fiat. |
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Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater | |
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| DocInBird | Jun 6 2006, 08:49 AM Post #17 |
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They are kidding, right? They want to amend the constitution so that their personal beliefs become law? My mind wanders back to a time when an old crooner was on the Johnny Carson Show. He wanted a ban of all R rated movies because some Christian might be tempted to go see one, and thus go to hell. I have to ask this question. Why is our government involved with marriage? What business is it of theirs? Okay, before you mention taxes, why does marriage have anything to do with taxes? I don't understand this. Some of the folks against gay marriage get way out there. They portray folks as "hating heterosexual marriage" and trying to destroy "procreation at a time when the world really needs procreation." Did you know that the world is under-populated? Wow. These people even have their own scientists. Those of us that live in reality, think the opposite. But I welcome opposing opinions. |
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| TexasShadow | Jun 6 2006, 09:02 AM Post #18 |
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most, but not all. guns, for instance... big difference in AZ and NJ laws if we leave it to states to define and regulate marriage, a gay couple will have to reside in certain states to enjoy the privileges of marriage. and then, when/if they travel to other states for business or pleasure, their privileges will change accordingly. |
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| cmoehle | Jun 6 2006, 11:20 AM Post #19 |
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Where will gays marry under such an amendment? |
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| Colo_Crawdad | Jun 6 2006, 02:09 PM Post #20 |
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Upon reading the following by a Professor of Biblical Interpretation at Auburn Theological Seminary in New York City, I thought it might provide some food for thought for many of us. I have included only a rather short excerpt. Homosexuality and the Bible by Walter Wink
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| "WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US." --- Pogo | |
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| cmoehle | Jun 6 2006, 03:08 PM Post #21 |
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Excellent article! Jesus said, "Why do you not judge for yourselves what is right?" |
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| abradf2519 | Jun 9 2006, 10:53 AM Post #22 |
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The writer of the article referenced in the first post (from the Denver Post) doesn't know what he is talking about. Consider this quote:
Not true at all. We do "swallow" everything. Stoning was the Israelite method of capitol punishment, under their law. Since the law was fullfilled by Jesus, it is no longer necessary to apply this law. An example of this is in the book of Acts, where Peter is told by God to eat "unclean" food. from bible.com Homosexuality is condemed as sin both in the new testiment and the old. This notion that we are interpreting the bible wrong is inacurate. It is one of the more plain and easy to understand issues of the bible. These people are just playing mind games. Fact is, unless we have a constitutional admendment, we will have gay marriage. Period. |
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| abradf2519 | Jun 9 2006, 10:59 AM Post #23 |
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The writer of this article left out the part where the "harlots" repented of their sins. Yes, homosexuals are accepted into the kingdom of God, AFTER they repent of their sins, like the rest of us. |
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Alan Milan, New York, USA | |
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| cmoehle | Jun 9 2006, 01:37 PM Post #24 |
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Alan "Since the law was fullfilled by Jesus, it is no longer necessary to apply this law. An example of this is in the book of Acts, where Peter is told by God to eat "unclean" food." By your reasoning then any supposed law against homosexuality was fulfulled by Jesus: Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. |
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| abradf2519 | Jun 9 2006, 02:06 PM Post #25 |
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You are not understanding what Jesus is saying. If you "love your neighbor as yourself", you will not commit adultry and murder, and you will not steal, covet or lie. If you do those things, you are not loving your neighbor as yourself. If you are right, Jesus would be contradicting himself when he said: (mat 19:9) Jesus fullfilled the law by writting the law on our hearts. Heb 10:16 - quote from Jer 31:33 There are 2 different types of laws in the Torah: 1. Priestly laws concerning sacrifices and temple worship. Jesus fullfilled these by becoming the sacrifice. 2. Sundry laws - These laws Jesus fullfilled by writting them on our hearts. These are summed up by saying love your neighbor as yourself. |
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Alan Milan, New York, USA | |
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| cmoehle | Jun 9 2006, 02:09 PM Post #26 |
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Alan "You are not understanding what Jesus is saying." You are not understanding what Jesus is saying. Gee, ain't that a grand argument. How is Jesus contradicting himself, he didn't forgive adultery in Romans 13:0 nor in Matthew 19:9. He is being consistent. But since he mentions nothing of homosexuality, he is saying it is among other commandments comprehended ias love thy neighbour as thyself. And that's only if you see some supposed prohibition against homosexulaity elsewhere in the Bible. |
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