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Before The Law
Topic Started: May 29 2006, 06:17 PM (459 Views)
Banandangees
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Is the grave site during ceremony considered the public square and a place for protest? Obviously is for some. But wouldn't morality and compassion suggest taking the protest to the real "down-town" public square where the audience would be greater if their purpose is to condemn gays? Seems they are without sin by casting their stones. But to cast them at the grave site might be considered, by some, an "abomination of desolation" act. But of course, if you are pure, then there would be no abomination.

To argue against "gay tolerance" by demonstrating at the funeral of someone who gave their life for their country and done so by those who probably are not without sin (but apparently consider themselves to be without sin) is a hypocritical abomination :) . So now, do they break both secular and "religious" law. Double whammy. In Saudi Arabia they'd probably be stoned. Here we can now just gently guide them away, thanks to Bush's new law. Too bad we have to make laws just to address righteous stupidity. That's just MO.
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Oh, I don't disagree on the specifics of this case so much as general applicability. The harm of the fist in the nose seems to be offensiveness. Is that something federal government should regulate? Seems to suppress natural reactions to such actions.
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--Barry Goldwater
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Banandangees
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Many laws are based on offensiveness. It's unlawful to whip your johnson out and uninate on the street in the downtown public square at highnoon on Saturday in the U.S. (in France you can do it if you step into the canvas inclosed area). If you do in the U.S. you really aren't doing any physical harm to anyone; but, it's the degree of offensiveness that we have determined the act (urinating in the street at high noon) unlawful in the U.S.

Now a President has determined that it is just as offensive (if not moreso) to demonstrate against gay tolerance at the expense of the family, at the burial/funeral service of a soldier who has given his/her life for our country and who our country asked of that soldier .... to defend us. He/she doesn't determine whether the war he lost his life in is justified. He just did his duty and his family should be able to grieve without someone interjecting some "cause" on their child's memory.

Yes, make a law if the degree of offensiveness is so great.
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Again, I agree, it is offensive for all the reasons you give. I just don't see where it's the business of the federal government to regulate what the people would handle better on their own. Social ostracism would be more effective. IMO.
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
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Banandangees
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Then I suspect that one day we might be reading in the USA Today or seeing a news briefing on CNN about you peeing in the street of your home town public square on Saturday at high noon in defiance of our laws and our government interferences. :o or :( or :D
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Nice light-hearted but big-brotherly big-government diversion from the issue. Just as with abortion, same-sex marriage and other social issues the government of special interests is merely sweeping public debate under the carpet of ill-advised legislature and wrong as judcial activism.

Why? Ultimately to keep the debate on a phoney argument between the religious and secularism when the real debate is Where Religious Left Meets Right. But we would want that debate to divide the nation, now would we?

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The fast-emerging Religious Left contrasts sharply on many issues—from homosexual marriage to socialized medicine—with its longer established competitor, the Religious Right. Yet these two Bible-citing political movements equally have woken up to the realization that there is something intrinsically American about using the Bible as a guide to practical politics. That’s good news, and a blow to secularist orthodoxy.

Blow to secularism? Hardly. And that from an author who confuses Locke with conservatism, lordy!

Let the religious right and left hash it out.
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
--Barry Goldwater
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