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| Tweet Topic Started: May 29 2006, 06:17 PM (460 Views) | |
| cmoehle | May 29 2006, 06:17 PM Post #1 |
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Bush signed into law today a measure that prohibits unauthorized demonstrations at national cemeteries within an hour before or after a funeral or memorial service. The law sets limits on the exercise of beliefs held by supporters of Kansas-based Westboro Baptist Church and its leader Rev. Fred Phelps, who are going around the country demostrating at the militgary fumerals of fallen soldiers because they believe God is angry about tolerance of gays in this country. Which is the law you will follow? Secular, or religious? |
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| TexasShadow | May 29 2006, 06:31 PM Post #2 |
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in this case, secular law. as good old ecclesiastes said: there's a time and place for everything.......... |
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| cmoehle | May 29 2006, 06:43 PM Post #3 |
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So secular law can be, at least in some cases, more moral than religious law? Isn't render unto Ceasar fitting here? |
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| TexasShadow | May 29 2006, 06:59 PM Post #4 |
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yes, but I think in this case the secular law is derived from moral law (golden rule) but yes, it's a case that clearly shows why we need secular law to both contain and permit religious freedoms. |
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| cmoehle | May 29 2006, 07:01 PM Post #5 |
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Right, iow, both secular and religious law can derive from moral law, just that in cases secular is more moral--admitting the opposite as well of course. "we need secular law to both contain and permit religious freedoms" Indeed! |
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| cmoehle | May 30 2006, 04:50 AM Post #6 |
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Anti-gay protesters draw ire: Group says new law won't stop protests
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| tomdrobin | May 30 2006, 09:44 PM Post #7 |
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The term religious law is terribly inconcise, and open to interpretation based on one's religious beliefs. So religious law should more appropriately be called religious beliefs. People in this country can practice and demonstrate any religious belief they desire. The problem comes when the practice of their religious beliefs causes harm to others, such as the demonstrations at military funerals. The law making them stay away is appropriate IMO. |
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| bikemanb | May 30 2006, 10:00 PM Post #8 |
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Not normally a violent person but I think I would have to punch out one of these clowns if I saw them up close and personal, how they could connect what they are doing with appropiate behavior is beyond me. The last thing a grieving family needs is buffons trying to use their dead son or daughter as a political statement. |
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| tomdrobin | May 30 2006, 10:29 PM Post #9 |
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Our family buried a vet last week. A decorated veteran of WWII, who had served in the 82nd airborne. He got the military honors at his funeral. We were warned about the possibilities of the the nuts showing up, but fortunately they didn't. Don't know what would have happened if they had. I would have been tempted to throw whatever handy at them. |
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| Banandangees | May 31 2006, 06:06 PM Post #10 |
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".....who are going around the country demostrating at the militgary fumerals of fallen soldiers because they believe God is angry about tolerance of gays in this country. Which is the law you will follow? Secular, or religious? Secular law should apply in this case, not because it is more or less moral, but because Fred Phelps and his crew "only believe" God is angry. And, what sense does it make to apply their interpretation toward fallen soldiers? Who are they to know how God feels? IMO, it's an example of religion gone amuck. Next, they might say that God is angry about our courts tolerance of pedophylia and decide to demonstrate at the funerals of Asian Americans. Makes about as much sense. |
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| pentax | May 31 2006, 06:14 PM Post #11 |
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Fine. Round up the continuing offenders and throw 'em in jail! |
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| Banandangees | May 31 2006, 06:19 PM Post #12 |
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Where is Janet Reno when you need her?
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| cmoehle | May 31 2006, 08:16 PM Post #13 |
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Banan "Who are they to know how God feels?" Who is anyone to do so? Or anyone to say they don't. Isn't that what religious freedom is about? |
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| Banandangees | Jun 1 2006, 07:39 PM Post #14 |
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Free to believe yes, but some would say that your freedom to believe ends when your action from those beliefs meets someone's nose. In this case the families of the fallen soldiers we send to battle. Demonstrate somewhere else. Their morality lacks the compassion and love of the one they worship. |
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| cmoehle | Jun 1 2006, 08:42 PM Post #15 |
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Could the same be said, as a general principle, of other issues related to religion in the public square? Exercise it somewhere else? |
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