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| Tweet Topic Started: May 26 2006, 02:29 PM (419 Views) | |
| TexasShadow | May 26 2006, 02:29 PM Post #1 |
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if these two run for president, which one will you vote for? I hope we end up with two different people because I don't like either one. But I can't think of one I do like, so I've got a problem
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| roscoe | May 26 2006, 02:49 PM Post #2 |
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Al Sharpton and Roy Nagin also come to mind. |
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| DocInBird | May 26 2006, 02:51 PM Post #3 |
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there was this one bumper sticker. "It always takes a Clinton to clean up after a Bush" W is as stupid as dirt. Jeb is far worse. |
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--doc Just Doc and Orson (German Shepherd) wandering around North America. | |
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| TexasShadow | May 26 2006, 03:01 PM Post #4 |
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well, the problem I have with this is that I regard Bill C as a moderate. Hillary is an unknown, but she doesn't talk like a moderate, so that's all I've got to go on. And, I don't like zealots of any kind. Jeb is a bush clone, so we can expect more of the same bushism from him. I have an idea. Why don't we invite a western Canadian to run? A good conservative with some socialist leanings.
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| cruiser | May 26 2006, 04:12 PM Post #5 |
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I am in the same boat as Tex |
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Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction. Blaise Pascal (1623 - 1662) | |
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| roz | May 26 2006, 04:15 PM Post #6 |
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Many democrats are unhappy with Hillary's pandering to the Right, I hear a lot of good things about Russ Feingold, just please..............not another Bush. Whoever gets it will most definitely have big time clean-up to do. |
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| Lon Frank | May 26 2006, 05:18 PM Post #7 |
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You know, on other threads recently, we have talked about the global warming issue and the approaching 'tipping point', where we can no longer alter its course. I personally believe we have passed that point and will now have to deal with the consequences, whether mild or wild. (Since we have no real understanding and have made no preparation, I am groping through my own fog of ignorance and hoping for 'mild') But, to use this as an analogy, I believe we are also approaching a 'tipping point' for our society as well. Unless we make some real advances soon, we will be faced with a changed political landscape we will hardly recognize or know how to deal with. Unless we regain our ethical and moral foundations, and again uphold the value of the individual, regardless of color, religion or material worth; unless we return to being a nation which ends wars rather than starts them; unless we admit that we are greedy and poor stewards of our resources, either natural or intellectual or technological; unless we return somehow, to a government for and by the people, rather than settle for one responsive only to monied special interests, we will soon reach the point of no return. I know the standard answer to any criticism of America is 'well, it's sure better than (whatever other country)!' I think that is simply not good enough. Being better than the worst is not the basis of this country; it's not what has made us great. It is not the America I inherited from my parents, and it is not enough to leave to my children. As long as we elect politicians who are mainly interested in their own wealth and political careers, as long as we settle for leaders who shamelessly maneuver to gain only more money for their families and friends, as long as we are content because we are affluent enough to afford gasoline at even $4.00 a gallon, we will continue down the dead-end road we have ventured onto. When we have swept our problems under the carpet of ever-increasing prisons, when we squandered our last great forests to print needless catalogs of mindless 'necessities', when we have become complacent with being the second-best economy, with the third-best education, we will begin to topple silently from our own ivory towers, or plunge headlong toward streets filled with the conveniently 'disenfranchised' of our own making. We may not burn like Rome, but when we speak, no one will notice. The great experiment of America will have failed. Should our country even seriously entertain the election of Jeb Bush, I will have to realize that for at least the meager remaining years of my life, there will be no return to greatness. |
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| roz | May 26 2006, 05:39 PM Post #8 |
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Well said, Lon!When it comes to global warming.........I don't know if man is causing it, but for crying out loud, if there is even a fraction of a chance that it is so, our government should be doing everything possible to prevent it. How utterly stupid to do otherwise. |
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| TexasShadow | May 26 2006, 05:45 PM Post #9 |
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re global warming....... is here, so I think maybe the nations should begin preparations for drought and flood and storms. |
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| Lon Frank | May 26 2006, 05:55 PM Post #10 |
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Thanks, Roz. I just re-read my post above, and boy! I did get wound up a little, huh? I bet my heart doctor would ground me from the site. LOL And for global warming, well, just don't get me started! Jane, I really don't want to turn your tread into a global warming discussion, since we had a long one recently. But, you know I"ve been hollering for years for somebody, anybody, to start putting it all together. I wanted data, intellegence, forcasts! Now, I'm starting to realize that this is of such scope and such potential, that no one really knows just where to look. Do we prepare for floods, to have wildfires; droughts, only to have storms? Perhaps there's no preparation because we simply don't know what to prepare for. Perhaps that's the real scary part of all. |
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| TexasShadow | May 26 2006, 06:19 PM Post #11 |
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well, maybe there isn't a lot we can do... but we can: stop building houses on cliffs or river banks build more reservoirs build some more sea walls like in galveston, or just plain move inland (new housing, etc) think about piping water (instead of oil) from the east to the west. |
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| cmoehle | May 26 2006, 06:35 PM Post #12 |
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![]() Jeb won't run, not enough popular or populist appeal--right now McCain is all the rave. And no matter how populist Hillary tries to make herself look she is at heart a progressive. If one party or the other nominatd a real conservative, I'd give him or her my Libertarian vote. |
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Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater | |
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| Stoney | May 26 2006, 06:55 PM Post #13 |
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Lon, I find a lot of agreement in your eloquent post, but would offer maybe some differences. I think for us to revert to the intent of our Constitution and those things that sustained us as a great country these many years, we must not only be mindful of the value of all individuals, we must again individually take responsibility for our lives and livelihood. I would also add Hillary's name to the list of people who would not lead us where we need to go, along with every leading Democrat and Republican I could name. |
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The character inherent in the American people has done all that has been accomplished; and it would have done somewhat more, if the government had not sometimes got in its way. Henry David Thoreau | |
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| Lon Frank | May 26 2006, 07:23 PM Post #14 |
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"we must again individually take responsibility for our lives and livelihood." Stoney, I agree completely; I just couldn't think of everything! LOL I don't think the Clintons will run again either (they were and are a team). I don't think they could win, so they won't damage future aspirations as being cast as a loser. I'll be interested in the makeover of Al Gore. His release of his global warming documentary will definately put him as the leading 'environmentally aware' politician. He just has a lot of baggage and a lot of mediocre history to overcome. He'll only be a runner if global warming makes a dramatic statement before the next election. So, who will the media decide for us to elect? |
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| cmoehle | May 26 2006, 07:25 PM Post #15 |
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Isn't media mass marketing largely why we're offered clowns for leaders? |
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Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater | |
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