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| Tweet Topic Started: May 23 2006, 05:10 AM (165 Views) | |
| cmoehle | May 23 2006, 05:10 AM Post #1 |
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Religion is alive and well in the public square.... Teaching Johnny About Islam
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| TexasShadow | May 23 2006, 11:25 AM Post #2 |
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just proves the old adage "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" where is the righteous wrath of the atheist when we need it? lol |
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| cmoehle | May 23 2006, 11:29 AM Post #3 |
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Well, I reported it, didn't I? What I find more ironic is the sudden turn against religion in school. Is the demand for religion in the public square so morally relativistic? |
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| Colo_Crawdad | May 23 2006, 12:00 PM Post #4 |
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I wonder if that source would be content if the Court ruled that students could be put through a "role playing exercise" of reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, including the words, in God we trust." The key in the decision is "role playing exercise," isn't it?. |
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| cmoehle | May 23 2006, 05:40 PM Post #5 |
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Lowell, you're not supposed to apply critical thinking to what you read! Just read and react!
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| tomdrobin | May 23 2006, 08:10 PM Post #6 |
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I think religious teaching has no place in government sponsered school systems. And, that includes any religion. Not even under the guise of religious understanding or tolerance. The court of appeals ruling IMO smacks of judicial activism. Shame on them, and the president responsible for their appointment. |
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| cmoehle | May 23 2006, 08:17 PM Post #7 |
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Doomed if they do, doomed if they don't. |
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| tomdrobin | May 24 2006, 09:40 PM Post #8 |
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| cmoehle | May 24 2006, 09:58 PM Post #9 |
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Chris - San Antonio TX
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Judges are judicial activists if they remove religion from the public square and judicial activists if they allow it. If that's though, then what exactly is judicial activism? |
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| tomdrobin | May 24 2006, 10:19 PM Post #10 |
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Judicial activism in this case is when judges who would normally rule against religious teaching/indoctrination/rituals etc. in schools. Decide it is ok, to teach about a minority religion for politically correctness purposes. By judicial activism I mean they are not just strictly interpreting the law, which is their job. They are making judgment based on philisopical ideal they may hold. For example: Teaching about religions other than christianity promotes understanding and tolerance. This may be true, but outcomes don't justify making special rules for special circumstances. |
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| DocInBird | May 25 2006, 12:22 AM Post #11 |
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I have no problems with teaching religion in schools. Okay, I'll pause while you gasp. <pause> But if you are going to teach religion, teach about many religions -- not just one. Show the similarities and differences. Show what happens when religion and government interact. Show the differences in culture when one religion dominates. Talk about the creation myths of each. What is the significance of Pang Gu having the head of a dog on a human body? I can understand why they are teaching about Islam these days. There is so much misinformation, much of it coming from our own government. Have you read the Koran recently? It is available in paperback and is pretty inexpensive. Those that have read the Bible will immediately see the similarities between the two books. Since the actual name of "God" is not supposed to be spoken, there should be no problem in translating Allah, God, Jehovah, etc. Personally, I prefer Great Spirit, but that is probably my heritage... |
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| cmoehle | May 25 2006, 04:46 AM Post #12 |
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Tom "By judicial activism I mean they are not just strictly interpreting the law, which is their job. They are making judgment based on philisopical ideal they may hold." The problem I have is either the law allows the teaching of religion or it does not. So I have to ask again, how can judges be activists both ways, one way or the other, they are following the law. It cannot depend on situation and circumstances. Either religion is allowed or it is not. Doc, the problem with teaching many religions is selecting which ones of a infinite number to teach in a finite amount of time. And the problem here seems to be some want religion taught but only if it is theirs. |
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| tomdrobin | May 25 2006, 10:08 PM Post #13 |
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Chris I am having a diffucult time getting my point accross here let me try again. Judges deciding that religion should be banned from schools are not practicing judicial activism. They are literally interpreting the separation of church and state provisions in the constitution. When they decide it is ok to make exceptions for things like promoting religious tolerance etc., they are then letting activism enter into their decisions. In other words using their decision to promote an outcome rather than sticking with the constituion. |
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| cmoehle | May 26 2006, 04:08 AM Post #14 |
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OK, sorry, I guess I've heard theexpression used so much the other way around I assumed you meant that too. My bad. |
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| bikemanb | May 27 2006, 06:39 AM Post #15 |
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Well put.
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Bill, Rita and Chloe the Terror Cat For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise. Benjamin Franklin | |
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