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Religion In School
Topic Started: May 23 2006, 05:10 AM (165 Views)
cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Religion is alive and well in the public square....

Teaching Johnny About Islam
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Education: In our brave new schools, Johnny can't say the pledge, but he can recite the Quran. Yup, the same court that found the phrase "under God" unconstitutional now endorses Islamic catechism in public school....(read more at link).
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TexasShadow
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Education: In our brave new schools, Johnny can't say the pledge, but he can recite the Quran. Yup, the same court that found the phrase "under God" unconstitutional now endorses Islamic catechism in public school


just proves the old adage "the squeaky wheel gets the grease"
where is the righteous wrath of the atheist when we need it? lol

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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Well, I reported it, didn't I?

What I find more ironic is the sudden turn against religion in school. Is the demand for religion in the public square so morally relativistic?
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Colo_Crawdad
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Lowell
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U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled it's OK to put public-school kids through Muslim role-playing exercises, including:

Reciting aloud Muslim prayers that begin with "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful . . . ."


I wonder if that source would be content if the Court ruled that students could be put through a "role playing exercise" of reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, including the words, in God we trust."

The key in the decision is "role playing exercise," isn't it?.
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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Lowell, you're not supposed to apply critical thinking to what you read! Just read and react! :devil:
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Colo_Crawdad
May 23 2006, 06:00 PM
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U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled it's OK to put public-school kids through Muslim role-playing exercises, including:

Reciting aloud Muslim prayers that begin with "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful . . . ."

I think religious teaching has no place in government sponsered school systems. And, that includes any religion. Not even under the guise of religious understanding or tolerance.

The court of appeals ruling IMO smacks of judicial activism. Shame on them, and the president responsible for their appointment.
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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Doomed if they do, doomed if they don't.
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cmoehle
May 24 2006, 02:17 AM
Doomed if they do, doomed if they don't.

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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Judges are judicial activists if they remove religion from the public square and judicial activists if they allow it.

If that's though, then what exactly is judicial activism?
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tomdrobin
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cmoehle
May 25 2006, 03:58 AM
Judges are judicial activists if they remove religion from the public square and judicial activists if they allow it.

If that's though, then what exactly is judicial activism?

Judicial activism in this case is when judges who would normally rule against religious teaching/indoctrination/rituals etc. in schools. Decide it is ok, to teach about a minority religion for politically correctness purposes.

By judicial activism I mean they are not just strictly interpreting the law, which is their job. They are making judgment based on philisopical ideal they may hold. For example: Teaching about religions other than christianity promotes understanding and tolerance. This may be true, but outcomes don't justify making special rules for special circumstances.
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DocInBird
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I have no problems with teaching religion in schools. Okay, I'll pause while you gasp. <pause> But if you are going to teach religion, teach about many religions -- not just one. Show the similarities and differences. Show what happens when religion and government interact. Show the differences in culture when one religion dominates.

Talk about the creation myths of each. What is the significance of Pang Gu having the head of a dog on a human body?

I can understand why they are teaching about Islam these days. There is so much misinformation, much of it coming from our own government. Have you read the Koran recently? It is available in paperback and is pretty inexpensive.

Those that have read the Bible will immediately see the similarities between the two books. Since the actual name of "God" is not supposed to be spoken, there should be no problem in translating Allah, God, Jehovah, etc. Personally, I prefer Great Spirit, but that is probably my heritage...
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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Tom "By judicial activism I mean they are not just strictly interpreting the law, which is their job. They are making judgment based on philisopical ideal they may hold."

The problem I have is either the law allows the teaching of religion or it does not. So I have to ask again, how can judges be activists both ways, one way or the other, they are following the law. It cannot depend on situation and circumstances. Either religion is allowed or it is not.


Doc, the problem with teaching many religions is selecting which ones of a infinite number to teach in a finite amount of time.

And the problem here seems to be some want religion taught but only if it is theirs.
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tomdrobin
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Chris
I am having a diffucult time getting my point accross here let me try again.

Judges deciding that religion should be banned from schools are not practicing judicial activism. They are literally interpreting the separation of church and state provisions in the constitution. When they decide it is ok to make exceptions for things like promoting religious tolerance etc., they are then letting activism enter into their decisions. In other words using their decision to promote an outcome rather than sticking with the constituion.
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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
OK, sorry, I guess I've heard theexpression used so much the other way around I assumed you meant that too. My bad.
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I think religious teaching has no place in government sponsered school systems. And, that includes any religion. Not even under the guise of religious understanding or toleranc



Well put. :)
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