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Illegals Get Social Security!; How screwed up is that!!??
Topic Started: May 20 2006, 06:30 PM (560 Views)
cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Comprehensive reform considers all of economic, social and security issues together, not one alone or one at a time.

Bush speaks of comprehensive reform. When'd you turn against him? :o


Roscoe, there is no invasion, most are jobs Americans won't do, and illegals pay into SS without being able to extract from it.
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
--Barry Goldwater
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MrsS
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Maybe this is the better place for my question I asked in another thread:

How can people...who pay taxes,SS and Medicare...be Illegals?
They must be registered somewhere! Don`t they have to show some official documents
to get registered? They pay taxes to the government...but the government doesn`t
recognize they`re Illegals? Isn`t that contradictory?


( Should I`ve kept my mouth shut? :whistle: )


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roscoe
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cmoehle
May 23 2006, 01:09 PM
Comprehensive reform considers all of economic, social and security issues together, not one alone or one at a time.

Bush speaks of comprehensive reform. When'd you turn against him? :o


Roscoe, there is no invasion, most are jobs Americans won't do, and illegals pay into SS without being able to extract from it.

While visiting the panhandle in Floridora. Destin in particular I seen many Mexicans working on the hi-rise million dollar condos in the area. Now I'm not saying they were all illegals mind you but I bet a few were.

Also in the state run campsite were roofers who if spoken to didn't speak a word of English and a few other box trucks that parked there at night.

I know these condo's had to be built but I would like to see the id's and payroll accounts including SS,fed tax etc.

These are jobs that Americans want.

Noticed a few new dumpsters around that had port holes burnt out of the sides of them. You don't suppose they were the hacienda's for the guest workers were they.
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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
If those are jobs Americans want, why aren't they competing for them instead of standing in the dole line?
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
--Barry Goldwater
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roscoe
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The illegals work so much cheaper. Easier to pay someone that has been hired by the 4th or 5th subcontractor on the job and is made to become a contractor on paper himself.

I've worked many years in the construction trades Chris and only once was asked to show proof of insurance by a developer.

Many jobs in our area men are not standing in the dole line but picket line instead alongside our brown and black brothers who care about their decent standard of living, health and safety programs including retirement etc.

We can't compete against those that live in the woods or in dumpsters.

They are nice people who are lowering our standard of living.
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cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
A decent standard of living is earned.

If you want to pay higher costs for goods and services to subsidize uncompetitive workers, I won't begrudge you your choice. I would choose not to.

Again, I am all for comprehensive reform that addresses the whole conundrum of economic, social and security issues illegal immigration poses.
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
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cmoehle
May 23 2006, 05:09 PM
Roscoe, there is no invasion, most are jobs Americans won't do, and illegals pay into SS without being able to extract from it.

I question the premise that illegals are doing jobs americans won't do. They are working cheaper. I guess in a way that is free enterprise. But, I would feel a lot more comfortable if they were documented, and required to return home after a certain period or get on the waiting list for permanent residence.

There is two scenarios with regards to illegals paying into SS. The first is when they supply a phoney SS number. The money is paid in by the employee and employer, but there is no name to credit the earnings to. The second is when they obtain phoney Identification, and then using it get a real SS number/account with their name on it. Legislation was just introduced to deny them from collecting the benefits they are due based on the fact they entered the country illegally. But, I believe it didn't pass. The real problem is that the SS system has evolved in some cases to be a social welfare system. Low income workers are given benefits that under the normal formula they would not get. That combined with medicaid is a social welfare perk that was intended to be a safety net for low income americans. But, low income illegals immigrants qualify for it too. So, in a way. The public, in the form of taxes is subsidizing the cheap labor. And, the cheap labor, at least in the first generation here, sends much of their earnings back go their families in their home country. Money that would be spent here in our economy if it were earned by american wage earners.
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roscoe
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I would prefer not having my taxes subsidize companies that hire illegal or legal workers that through no insurance are helping to bury our health care system. The workmans comp.benefits are not being paid therefore when someone without it gets injured guess who pays. The corrupt employer puts more cash in his pocket and will be able to outbid a decent employer.

I suppose when those that have " bullet proof " jobs are put in the position of trying to compete against those that are working for cash and or no benefits it will be a different tale.

I stiil look for American made products. Guess i'm a dinasour.

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Fence or No Fence, What’s All the Fuss About? Immigration is still an economics thing.
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The anti-immigration crowd also gets it wrong when it points out that the Senate compromise bill would increase the number of immigrant workers in the U.S. by roughly 61 million over the next two decades. This Heritage Foundation analysis has the fear-mongerers predicting a Mexican takeover of the United States. But we need these workers.



Due to the demographic shift being caused by the baby boomers, the ratio of working-age persons in the U.S. to retirees aged 65 and over will drop like a stone from the current 4.7:1 ratio to 3.5:1 by 2030, and 2.6:1 by 2040. With the Social Security and Medicare trust funds going bankrupt, how will we manage with so few workers per retiree? Will we let our whole economy stagnate like France, Germany, Italy, or even Japan? All of these countries suffer from shrinking workforces and top-heavy government taxation.



Well, the U.S. could maintain a 4:1 ratio of workers to retirees by admitting an additional 57.5 million workers over the next nineteen years, according to analyst William Kucewicz. This would result in an average annual population increase of less than 1 percent and a total of only 16.4 percent more than the 350 million projected by the Census Bureau for 2025.
Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order.
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roscoe
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cmoehle
May 24 2006, 05:52 AM
But we need these workers.



Due to the demographic shift being caused by the baby boomers, the ratio of working-age persons in the U.S. to retirees aged 65 and over will drop like a stone from the current 4.7:1 ratio to 3.5:1 by 2030, and 2.6:1 by 2040. With the Social Security and Medicare trust funds going bankrupt, how will we manage with so few workers per retiree?


Screw the illegals. Set up a viagra program for the retired folks and we can make our own workers. :floorrollin: :floorrollin: :floorrollin:
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