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Illegals Get Social Security!; How screwed up is that!!??
Topic Started: May 20 2006, 06:30 PM (559 Views)
teryt
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OK, so let me get this straight. Someone comes here ILLEGALLY, they get a job ILLEGALLY, and now they're entitled to Social Security! I don't know whether to laugh or cry here. :floorrollin: :unbelievable: :cry:

What's next!? Give SS to Europeans!?

And of course who is leading the charge? Our very own John Rhino McCain. This has to be political pandering at it's best.

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"We all know that millions of undocumented immigrants pay Social Security and Medicare taxes for years and sometimes decades while they work to contribute to our economy," said Sen. John McCain, Arizona Republican.

    "The Ensign amendment would undermine the work of these people by preventing lawfully present immigrant workers from claiming Social Security benefits that they earned before they were authorized to work in our community," he said. "If this amendment were enacted, the nest egg that these immigrants have worked hard for would be taken from them and their families."


Let's hope this gets killed in committee. :fryingpan:

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TexasShadow
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well, i think the idea is that they are paying into SS whether they are using a phony card or not. the $$ is going into the SS coffers.
so, they're entitled to payback from it.

but I don't know that for a fact. Just guessing that they use phony resident proof to obtain a SS card and enter the system that way.
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cmoehle
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An illegal, paying into SS, OMG! Now that is wrong, just plain wrong! It's illegal.
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roscoe
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Sorry folks but the SS system is out of money.Working with a fake ID? Nothing we can do. Thanks for the donation. :tiphat: :tiphat: :floorrollin:

What's next. Allowing illegals to vote. ( For McCain.)
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tomdrobin
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Well that will fit in nicely with their other entitlements payed for at taxpayers expense. Things like medicaid for their dependants and free child care.

No wonder the gold rush is on to make it to the USA.

I think the SS should be forfitted as a penalty for entering the country illegally.
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roscoe
May 20 2006, 07:12 PM
Sorry folks but the SS system is out of money.Working with a fake ID? Nothing we can do. Thanks for the donation. :tiphat: :tiphat: :floorrollin:

What's next. Allowing illegals to vote. ( For McCain.)

The fact, that SS is on the edger of break down due to smaller immigration is nothing funny.
I would think about it this way:
what is better? - have illegals contribute to this country and SS, or spend (SS) money on chasing and jailing them.
Who is ready to make the choice?
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TexasShadow
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yes, but they get phony voting cards too and vote for pols that support their getting SS.
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teryt
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I forgot to add ILLEGAL identification to the ILLEGAL entry & ILLEGAL employment - which gets them SS payments.

Like I said, hopefully it's killed very dead in committee!
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DraginRat
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I really do not understand what the discussion is about. Nobody is questioning the term illegal. Another way of saying that, is that everyone accepts the fact that these people are illegal.

We have established the fact that these people are in the country ILLEGALLY. End of discussion. The man robbed the bank. He needs new tires for his car, or maybe his family is poor. Does that change the fact that he is a bank robber. NO. What ever the motivation, illegal is illegal is ILLEGAL.

Do immigrant workers provide a service that would be hard to replace. absolutely. Are most immigrant workers hard working, well meaning, and otherwise law abiding? Again, yes. Doesn't change the facts. ILLEGAL

There are thousands of people all around the Earth waiting patiently for there number to be called. Will they be just as well meaning and productive as other immigrants. Most likely. But they are doing it the right way. LEGALLY.

Oh, and one more thing just a little off topic. If you should move to Mexico, become a citzen of Mexico and enter the job market, there will be few jobs you would be LEGALLY able to do. Mexican laws forbid immigrants from holding any kind of meaning employment. So why aren't we down there waving the American flag, demanding justice. Because according to Mexican law, it would be ILLEGAL!!

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Ken, do you really equate illegal immigration with criminal activity like robbing banks or killing people?

Note, I am all for comprehesive reform.
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cmoehle
May 23 2006, 01:21 AM
Ken, do you really equate illegal immigration with criminal activity like robbing banks or killing people?

Chris
No doubt entering the country illegally is not on par with murder and bank robbery. But, it is still a crime. And, not a victimless crime either. Perhaps a better comparison would be cheating on taxes. Embezzling money that isnt yours. Stealing someone elses identity. etc. etc.

The idea that it is just a harmless misdemeanor is incorrect. It already is a burden on all the government programs that were intended to help less fortunate americans. And, if left unchecked will have tremendous political and economic impact on the country in the future. This is the very reason the problem has gotten out of control. Because no one up until know has taken it seriously or considered the ramifications.
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Tom, you still equate what is essentially work that contributes to the economy and society with immoral behavior. Perhaps that is because you don't believe illegals make a contribution. But we have seen more than enough evidence here on the forum to show that is not the case. The economic impact of stopping all illegal workers in the country from working would felt by us all in higher costs for food products and services, manufacturing, housing and so much more. Do you really think the nation is going to like that when it's whining now about rising fuel costs?

Like I said, I am all for comprehesive reform.
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teryt
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May 23 2006, 10:49 AM
Tom, you still equate what is essentially work that contributes to the economy and society with immoral behavior. Perhaps that is because you don't believe illegals make a contribution. But we have seen more than enough evidence here on the forum to show that is not the case. The economic impact of stopping all illegal workers in the country from working would felt by us all in higher costs for food products and services, manufacturing, housing and so much more. Do you really think the nation is going to like that when it's whining now about rising fuel costs?

Like I said, I am all for comprehesive reform.

Just so this "comrehensive reform" doesn't give any one who has entired ILLEGALLY a free pass. This is certainly not fair to others who have gone the correct route, and disrespects our system of laws. The problem with comprehensive reform is politicos are in charge of it, and this seems to motivate (dilude) them to do things like give ILLEGALS social socurity. What does this teach them about our system? (that we live & decide stricktly by our emotions, and give them entitlements - regardless of the law?)

We may not agree, but let's have some clarity.
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roscoe
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Here is how I see it. The Mexican people are our source of cheap ( slave ) labor. The politicians are bending over backwards not to offend any part of the latino community due to their voting block.

Us dumb gringo's sit back playing our stupid dem vs con crapola while our country is invaded, jobs stolen and now the mutts want to give my SS away. Uh oh could be the scoundrels are getting too stupid or maybe the average LEGAL US worker is finally coming out of his stupor.



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It's only "slave" labor if its involuntary. :tiphat:
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