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| Tweet Topic Started: May 20 2006, 02:44 PM (142 Views) | |
| TexasShadow | May 20 2006, 02:44 PM Post #1 |
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http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/05/19/0...0.71ywfwak.html Madrid seeks to stem tide of African immigrants May 19 11:37 AM US/Eastern Spain has put the last touches to initiatives, including a strengthened presence in Africa, to try to stem the swelling tide of immigrants from the continent heading for its shores. The government's plan was agreed as it was announced that a total of 656 African illegal immigrants had arrived in Spain's Canary Islands in the space of 24 hours. In Madrid Deputy Prime Minister Maria-Teresa Fernandez de la Vega said after a cabinet meeting she would be going to Brussels next week to discuss the issue with, among others, European Commission President Jose Manuel Durao Barroso. She said that "more Europe" had to be one of the weapons in the battle against would-be illegal immigration. An "Africa plan" was to be implemented within the space of 48 hours, said de la Vega. The headquarters will be in the Senegalese capital Dakar, under the supervision of a specially appointed ambassador, Miguel Angel Mazarambroz. His staff will cover the west African states Cape Verde, Gambia, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Niger and Senegal. The Spanish official said embassies would be opened in Mali and Cape Verde and the mission in Sudan would be reopened to reinforce Spain's diplomatic presence in sub-Saharan Africa, at present limited to embassies in eight states (Cameroon, Democratic Republic of Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Nigeria and Senegal). The diplomats will seek over a three to six month period to reach deals on the repatriation of illegal immigrants similar to accords already concluded with Algeria, Mauritania, Morocco and Nigeria. Illegal immigrants can only be expelled if such agreements exist and above all if their countries of origin can be determined. Otherwise the Spanish authorities have to free them after 40 days with a notice of expulsion that cannot be implemented. The scale of the problem is illustrated by figures showing that with well over 1,000 arrivals in the Canary Islands this week alone, the total for the year to date is now 7,384. That compared with 4,751 for the whole of last year and 8,500 in 2004. According to the Red Cross, hundreds of would-be immigrants have drowned in seas off Spain since the end of last year. Many travel in overcrowded makeshift boats not suited to the high seas. Red Cross workers on the Canaries say they are overwhelmed with the "avalanche" of people arriving every day, many of whom are in need of immediate medical treatment. In all, around 2,400 immigrants without papers are awaiting processing in the archipelago. The Canary Islands, Spanish territory and therefore part of the European Union, have been targeted by would-be immigrants since passage became more difficult from Morocco to Europe via the Spanish enclaves of Ceuta and Melilla, the scene last year of violent attempts by would-be immigrants to storm them. Sixteen people died in the incidents after which prospective immigrants were rounded up and dumped in the desert. Since then security measures have been tightened on both sides of the Mediterranean. There have been cases of the Spanish navy turning back boatloads of would-be immigrants off the coast of the Canary Islands. |
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| DanHouck | May 20 2006, 04:17 PM Post #2 |
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LOL, 656. That's like a drizzle versus 15 inches of rainfall. I think the LOWEST estimate with Bush/Kennedy's amnesty immigration bill is 60 million more. BTW, we'd take the drizzle over here in NM right now. 15 inches would last us two years.
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| kajtek1 | May 20 2006, 08:05 PM Post #3 |
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I am not sure it is good comparison to start with. Unless it changed in last years - illegal immigrants in Europe are actually refugees. They get housing, food, cloth and medical support from the government of the country, while they are not allowed to work. Totally opposite to illegal immigrants in US. |
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| cmoehle | May 20 2006, 08:12 PM Post #4 |
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Many are allowed to work. What they're not allowed to do, in many cases, is assimilate into French etc society. Big mistake. What we're seeing here nowadays is a populist push to make immigrants assimilate. Equally big mistake. |
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| teryt | May 21 2006, 01:30 PM Post #5 |
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I've said it before - better watch them Maple Leafers! |
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| teryt | May 21 2006, 01:41 PM Post #6 |
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Here's a country where ILLEGALS have really big problems:
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| TexasShadow | May 21 2006, 02:25 PM Post #7 |
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what strikes me (immigration throughout the world) is there appears to be a mass movement of third world people.... migrating for the same reasons than ancient man moved... to survive. so we can't hope to stop it. instead, we should be thinking of how to deal with it in a positive way. because, for better or for worse, nations' cultural marks are going to change. |
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| cmoehle | May 21 2006, 02:33 PM Post #8 |
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Free trade is a positive step. Consider, from Give and take across the border
Free trade has already benefitted and expansion of it would increase the growth of the Mexican economy, thus making Mexico an attractive place to work, more so for many who migrate here instead to find the good life. Problem is many of the same people who want to fence Mexicans out also want to erect barriers to free trade. |
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| TexasShadow | May 21 2006, 02:45 PM Post #9 |
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yes, but mexico's policy isn't reciprocal. there's an article in drudgereport on that today, about how hard it is for a non-native mexican to get a good job there. free trade = free trade both ways. |
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| cmoehle | May 21 2006, 02:59 PM Post #10 |
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And it usually is reciprocated, just not always point for point. As their economy would grow they would purchase more goods from the US, increasing jobs for Americans here. Mexico could do its share as well by privatizing its oil industry. |
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| teryt | May 21 2006, 03:13 PM Post #11 |
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Mexico works to Bar Non-Natives from Jobs |
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| tomdrobin | May 21 2006, 10:19 PM Post #12 |
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Our immigration laws although flawed have one good stipulation. That no more than 6% (if I remember correctly) of the total legal immigrants each year will come from any one country. That is not only to insure fairness, but maintains the philosophy of our country being the great melting pot, with immigrants from many different countries. The flow of illegal Mexican immigrants accross the border subverts this intention. And, floods the country with too many immigrants from Mexico. Unchecked this will ultimately lead to many areas of the country (particularly in the southwest), dominated by majority populations of Mexican origins. This is not a good thing IMO. |
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| tomdrobin | May 21 2006, 10:29 PM Post #13 |
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Chris I disagree with the premise that those opposed to illegal immigration are also against free trade. Under NAFTA, Canada has thrived. But, Mexico has not. Why is that? Why hasn't J. Ross Perot's sucking sound of jobs going south to Mexico not happened? With all the available cheap labor, one would think their manufacturing base would be booming, and exporting into American' Walmarts in a steady stream. Something is very wrong in Mexico. Perhaps the government? Perhaps the level of education of the population? Who knows? But, I don't think we want to import so many of their citizins, that we reproduce the problem on our side of the border. |
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| cmoehle | May 22 2006, 05:35 AM Post #14 |
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Tom, I'm living proof those opposed to illegal immigration can support free trade. I said those who favor a fence as solution. I don't have time to look up the data right now, but Mexico has gained enourmously from NAFTA. A large part of the problem is their government, not their people. |
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| tomdrobin | May 22 2006, 09:49 PM Post #15 |
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Well Chris I will go on the record as saying I support free trade 100%. I also favor securing our borders. If it takes a fence, national guard troops or whatever, we have a right and a responsibility to have secure borders. I also believe those who have entered the country illegally should have no amnesty. Each and every one should have to plead their case for staying here. And, if allowed to stay be required to pay a significant fine for breaking our laws. Those we determine to be undesireable, like felons, drug and alchohol abusers and those working the welfare system for a free ride, should be deported to their country of origin with due haste. |
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