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| U.S. Moves To Weaken Iran; A campaign to promote democracy | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 19 2006, 09:54 AM (445 Views) | |
| 5thwheeler | May 19 2006, 09:54 AM Post #1 |
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And what would we do if the shoe was on the other foot. Does screaming bloody murder and shouting the old 9/11 rallying cry ring a bell! How about a preemtive invasion. We are getting good at that! Hey, look at it this way, we get to use our brand spanking new land base in Iraq! In the words of Captain Kirk "Sounds like fun"! |
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History 101: When a popular myth is believed to be factual, teach the myth. Its not possible to underestimate the intelligence of the voting populous. Hummm, after seeing the results of the 06 election, I may have to modify my perception of the voting populous and refer to them as "Late Bloomers".
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| cmoehle | May 19 2006, 10:44 AM Post #2 |
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It would be better if the Iranians did it themselves. |
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Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater | |
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| teryt | May 19 2006, 08:39 PM Post #3 |
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Yes. Maybe we can provide some "motivation" towards that end. Granted, it doesn't do much to undercut the notion of the US as the world's big meddler. In this case, you've got a regime that blatently supports terrorism, and has been linked to several hits on the US. And now they got a leader who is really showing their true colors with all the inflamatory stuff he spouts off. I've said it before, and still wonder if this guy are really just trying to egg on a fight with us - so he has justification (in his mind) to retaliate however they see fit (e.g. attack Israel, the US, etc.). They evidently see themselves as the harbinger/martyrs for the cause of bringing back the 12th eman. I also question if their brazen attitude isn't because they already have deployable nukes. So if a Democrat administration was doing the stuff in the article quoted above, I wonder if you'd have the same reservations . . .? |
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| bikemanb | May 19 2006, 09:25 PM Post #4 |
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Republican or Democrat, it is not a workable idea. We will end up supporting Iranian version of Chabili because we want those that sing the song we want. Actually Iran was on the way toward change before Shrub made the Axis of Evil speech, the mullah used the threat of the "Great Satan" to reel in newspapers and opposing political parties.....but it sure made a great sound bite for our "wartime" president. |
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Bill, Rita and Chloe the Terror Cat For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise. Benjamin Franklin | |
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| cmoehle | May 19 2006, 09:30 PM Post #5 |
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Teryt "So if a Democrat administration was doing the stuff in the article quoted above, I wonder if you'd have the same reservations . . .?" How do you tell the difference? " Yes. Maybe we can provide some "motivation" towards that end." Indeed. Iranians not so recently enjoyed life outside the repression of religious fundamentalism. Those I knew would relish the chance to rebel. Whether there are enough, I don't know. But it's worth the try. |
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| 5thwheeler | May 20 2006, 10:11 AM Post #6 |
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Where are G. Gordon Liddy's covert actions boys when we need them. Ollie North... come out, come out where ever you are!
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History 101: When a popular myth is believed to be factual, teach the myth. Its not possible to underestimate the intelligence of the voting populous. Hummm, after seeing the results of the 06 election, I may have to modify my perception of the voting populous and refer to them as "Late Bloomers".
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| teryt | May 20 2006, 10:39 AM Post #7 |
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This takes a que outa Reagan's play book - calling a spade a spade. But admittedly perhaps that doesn't always work. Sometimes it is somewhat refreshing though, in a world where you often don't know where many politicians stand. |
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| cmoehle | May 20 2006, 11:15 AM Post #8 |
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Well, I admit, you got me there. I was assuming this action, falling somewhere belween diplomatic and military efforts, was aimed at promiting what the peole of Iran might want in the way of getting out from under the tyranny and oppression of authoritarian government. In Iraq it was secular, in Iran it's religious, but anything that oppresses if not supresses people's freedom is to me abhorant. Not that I'm out on a crusade to free the world, but can't we help others who want it? |
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| 5thwheeler | May 20 2006, 01:59 PM Post #9 |
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Huummm... lets put the shoe on the other foot. In Iraq it was secular, in Iran it's religious, and in the US its a little of both, and lot of other things, but anything that oppresses, if not suppresses people's freedom is to me abhorrent, but can't others help Americans? No, they are declared insurgents and terrorists and must be eliminated regardless if they are innocent of insurgency or terrorism. Whatever happened to "what's good for the Goose is good for the Gander"? During 9/11 we suffered the death of 3000 plus innocents. Not good! Afghanistan and Iraq has suffered the death of 40,000 plus innocents, but they don't count because we are the good guys there to help free them.
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History 101: When a popular myth is believed to be factual, teach the myth. Its not possible to underestimate the intelligence of the voting populous. Hummm, after seeing the results of the 06 election, I may have to modify my perception of the voting populous and refer to them as "Late Bloomers".
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| cmoehle | May 20 2006, 02:15 PM Post #10 |
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" but can't others help Americans?" Examine your principles daily, then apply them, stop the bullshit. On edit am I allowed to say that? Bullshit, I mean?
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| TexasShadow | May 20 2006, 02:21 PM Post #11 |
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why is it that some countries seem to be able to rear up and overthrow tyranny and develop a democratic way of gov. in which one is free to pursue one's religious preferences? and others can't ? it seems to me that we're meddling with nations who, as a people, are just not ready for a real democracy (secular). they really don't want to be "free" of God's laws, they don't believe that's the way to go. back when we invaded Iraq, I was hearing that a majority of the Iragis are secular minded. That doesn't seem to be the case at all, and the two, major religious factions dislike each other, but neither one of them want secular gov. |
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| cmoehle | May 20 2006, 02:43 PM Post #12 |
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What freedom is to be found in "God's laws"? Historically, we found it once, we have since lost that liberty of conscience. |
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| DanHouck | May 20 2006, 04:20 PM Post #13 |
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Ironically, the Hussein "government" was secular. It is the Shias that want a religious state. Unfortunately for the rest, they are the majority in Iraq. In any case, we need to stop trying to police the world and tell everyone what to do. We lead best when we simply let the results of free enterprise and democracy do our talking for us. Why do you think Mexico wants to move up here?
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| TexasShadow | May 20 2006, 05:32 PM Post #14 |
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that's another argument altogether. telling the shiities or sunnis that they're WRONG just doesn't cut it because they think we are WRONG. It's a standoff. And trying to force them to change their thinking.... well, that doesn't work very well, either. we could take all their little kids away from them and raise them under american or british or australian or canadian democracies, but who's going to do that? people have to WANT what we have in order to get it. what happened over here was a lot of luck. we had a lot of people over here who didn't want to break off from england we had a lot of people out on the frontiers who didn't give a rap about any gov. and we had a lot of people who wanted to create a new and better way of gov. the last ones won the day because they had the $$ and the intellect to get it done. |
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| cmoehle | May 20 2006, 07:38 PM Post #15 |
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Freedom doesn't mean wanting what we have. It happened here, ultimately, because more people wanted freedom than didn't. |
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am I allowed to say that? Bullshit, I mean?


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