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| What We Know; Do we see with our eyes or mind? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 18 2006, 03:10 PM (568 Views) | |
| cmoehle | May 19 2006, 03:08 PM Post #16 |
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Alan, evolutionists don't really give a darn about abiogenesis. And when you say don't support theories, you mean like ID? "...those that don't agree are just applying the spin." Well, that sort of poisons the well of discussion, doesn't it? |
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Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater | |
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| DocInBird | May 19 2006, 03:15 PM Post #17 |
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Eric, my poor tiny little brain is fried. These students are ferocious! I will really enjoy this weekend. I will get to your questions, but I really need to decompress. You might want to start with Ken Wilber's excellent book. Quantum Questions: Mystical Writings of the World's Greatest Physicists. Wow! As soon as this session is over, I am headed to the Sierra Nevada. Dog and man splashing in the water. Dog and man, with no students.... |
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--doc Just Doc and Orson (German Shepherd) wandering around North America. | |
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| ngc1514 | May 19 2006, 04:01 PM Post #18 |
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Crud - the DeKalb library doesn't have a copy of the book. How unsurprising. I'll scrounge one up and give it a read. Thanks for the suggestion. |
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| ngc1514 | May 19 2006, 04:02 PM Post #19 |
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Just deal with provable laws. Well... there goes religion and god - right out the window! Nothing provable there. |
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| cmoehle | May 19 2006, 04:13 PM Post #20 |
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An excerpt of the Introduction to Wilber's Quantum Questions is available here. |
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| cmoehle | May 19 2006, 08:52 PM Post #21 |
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Let me try and tie many loose ends back into a thread.... Daniel Dennett, in an essay in Intelligent Thought says of the eye as evidence of intelligent design:
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| tomdrobin | May 19 2006, 09:49 PM Post #22 |
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Don't we see objects as the way they reflect visible light? Infra red paints a different picture. And, I suppose a vision system with a different response reference would see something entirely different. Our mind doesn't see, but only conceptualizes from historical data input. |
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| DaveR | May 22 2006, 04:59 AM Post #23 |
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An analogy was used: when the ships of Columbus neared the New World islands for the first time, the indigenous people could not see them. Sadly, I think the "indigenous people" of Vietnam clearly disproved this theory many, many times over - based on their ability to shoot down a yet-to-be-seen helicopter. Dave |
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But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. Carl Sagan | |
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| TexasShadow | May 22 2006, 10:26 AM Post #24 |
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isn't this sort of like the old "tree falling in a forest, does it make a sound if there's no one around to hear?"......... when a tree falls, sound waves are sent out, but isn't recorded if there are no ears. when an object appears in front of a pair of eyes, the eyes see it and send that image to the brain. if the brain can't identify the object, what happens? does it just shut down, refuse to record that which it doesn't understand? sends a message to the eyes that there isn't really anything there at all... which results in the eyes not being able to see the object? just trying to understand how it works between the eyes and the brain. |
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| cmoehle | May 22 2006, 10:39 AM Post #25 |
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TPR this morning interviewed an expert in modern day interrogation techniques. Sensory deprivation for five hour, iirc, would induce a state of psychosis. At least your conscious mind needs sensory input to function. Is reality and what we know something else? |
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| DocInBird | May 24 2006, 05:49 AM Post #26 |
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wow. you can do that? You are allowed to do sensory deprivation for people applying for a job? You are doing some interesting stuff there. If I would guess the quadrangle, would I be far off? |
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--doc Just Doc and Orson (German Shepherd) wandering around North America. | |
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| cmoehle | May 24 2006, 10:29 AM Post #27 |
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TPR = Texas Public Radio. The expert was a guest on the talk show. Sorry for being cryptic. |
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