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| Tweet Topic Started: May 18 2006, 12:22 PM (464 Views) | |
| cmoehle | May 18 2006, 12:22 PM Post #1 |
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Read this this morning: Who Isn't a 'Values Voter'?. Was wondering what values you vote on? |
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Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater | |
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| TexasShadow | May 18 2006, 12:45 PM Post #2 |
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I vote for the guy I think will do my pocketbook the most good. as for looking for values in a candidate, I figure they're all liars.. some more than others... so I don't look for honesty... I don't care if they go to church or not. If I could determine such a thing, I'd vote for a patriot over a one worlder, but you can't tell because they're all liars. did I say they're all liars?
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| campingken | May 18 2006, 12:57 PM Post #3 |
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The environment and a pay as you go government spending program. Ken |
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| tomdrobin | May 18 2006, 09:44 PM Post #4 |
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My vote is usually for the lesser of two evils. So basically I'm voting against the candidate who I think will do the most harm to the country and my pocketbook. GW has been a disappointment, but the thought of a Kerry/Edwards administraton would have been even more objectionable to me. |
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| bikemanb | May 19 2006, 05:05 AM Post #5 |
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Tell us how you really feel Tex.....by the way I agree with you.
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Bill, Rita and Chloe the Terror Cat For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise. Benjamin Franklin | |
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| DocInBird | May 19 2006, 06:32 AM Post #6 |
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Jane, I agree with you. I expect them all to be liars. I want them to be good at it too. They should not fumble around at lying. They should be world-class liars. Bill Clinton was a liar, but what did he lie about? Most of the world considered him to be a hero for lying to protect his paramour. Compare him to Bush, a fumbling compulsive liar who gets people killed. I'm not sure that I could vote for a person that could not lie effectively. Would you? But who do they lie to and why? Do they lie to me? Don't we want them to be able to lie? Don't we want them to be able to lie well? |
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--doc Just Doc and Orson (German Shepherd) wandering around North America. | |
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| TexasShadow | May 19 2006, 09:52 AM Post #7 |
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Doc.......
It certainly appears that we like liars, because we tend to vote for the best one. |
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| cmoehle | May 19 2006, 10:47 AM Post #8 |
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As long as we accept the mass marketing of politicians we won't see all the many alternatives. It seems so far most values here center around economics. |
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| TexasShadow | May 19 2006, 10:55 AM Post #9 |
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Yes, because moral values, for most, come secondary to economics. But that's the cynic in me talking. |
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| cmoehle | May 19 2006, 11:00 AM Post #10 |
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Chris - San Antonio TX
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Economics, the production, distribution, exchange and consumption of goods and services, can be moral, or guided by morals. It seems to me most focus on ends, means be damned. Would moral means result in moral ends? |
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| TexasShadow | May 19 2006, 01:05 PM Post #11 |
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PROVERBS 22:6 NKJ 6 Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it. |
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| ngc1514 | May 19 2006, 01:34 PM Post #12 |
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Sounds like the Jesuits: Give me the child for his first seven years and I'll give you the man. Worked for the Hitler Jugend as well. It's a great maxim if we assume the one rearing the children subscribes to our own definition of morality. Many don't. |
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| cmoehle | May 19 2006, 02:01 PM Post #13 |
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Chris - San Antonio TX
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Hitler's morals were based on desired ends, regardless the means. |
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| ngc1514 | May 19 2006, 03:10 PM Post #14 |
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Protestations to the contrary, I think that reflects the national morals of most countries. It would seem to pretty tightly define why we are in Iraq, n'est pas? |
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| DocInBird | May 19 2006, 03:23 PM Post #15 |
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You guys are just scary sometimes, even without the "ne c'est pas". Jane, you didn't need to say it ("did I say they're all liars?") We already knew. |
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--doc Just Doc and Orson (German Shepherd) wandering around North America. | |
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