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| cmoehle | Jun 13 2006, 04:39 PM Post #556 |
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IMO, you have to remember Einstein was a scientist. Awe is something we all feel, all share--not sure a meter or not. But to infer from that anything deeper scrapes across Occam's Razor. IMO, your division is a false dichotomy. It seems to extract you from the life you lead and place you in a struggle between material living and spiritual Life. This is a major theme in Western Literature--ever read Tolstoy's The Death of Ivan Ilyich? Tolstoy adopted a sort of cross between Christianity and Buddhism, which isn't troubled with such schizophrenic notions as we are in the West. |
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| teryt | Jun 13 2006, 04:39 PM Post #557 |
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Now what logical fallicy is this (re: Prager) indicative of? So if you found a complete & functioning computer program comprised of billions of bits, where would you suppose it came from? |
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| TexasShadow | Jun 13 2006, 04:45 PM Post #558 |
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nice way of calling christians just plumb crazy.
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| cmoehle | Jun 13 2006, 04:52 PM Post #559 |
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Jane, I said we in the West, it is a dichotomy we in the West face, it is in fact, the science v religion dichotomy we've been arguing here. It is a dichotomy not known to the East. Teryt, I read Prager about once a week to remind me what bigoted elitism is all about. That is not a logical fallacy, just my personal opinion. I'm not shooting down the idea because of him though. "So if you found a complete & functioning computer program comprised of billions of bits, where would you suppose it came from?" HAL.
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| teryt | Jun 13 2006, 05:11 PM Post #560 |
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Oh yes, humor hehehehehehehehe (in Cone Head fashion) |
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| cmoehle | Jun 13 2006, 05:54 PM Post #561 |
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HAL likely ran a genetic program. Genetic programming is modeled on evolutonary theory.![]() In information theoretic terms the longer the code the more random the bits. For example, a program that simulated a series of coin flips. Therefore, no intelligence implied. |
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| ngc1514 | Jun 13 2006, 07:07 PM Post #562 |
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Very nice. You'll notice he doesn't say anything about the so-called personal god of the christian sect. It's a personal belief that has yet to make a meter move. |
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| teryt | Jun 13 2006, 07:16 PM Post #563 |
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As it relates to ID, I don't know that anyone was specifically referring to the "personal god of the christian sect." And the point has been made that ID stops short of naming the designer. |
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| cmoehle | Jun 13 2006, 07:21 PM Post #564 |
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Let's go back to Dennis Prager's "If one found a computer program with 3.1 billion [bits] in it, they would never say that it didn't have an intelligent designer!" Small mind. If 3.1 billion bits represents the handiwork of an intelligent designer, then the Computational Universal would have programmed billions of such designers by now. Seth Lloyd, Programming the Universe, infers from a number of fairly simple laws and theorums, that over the 14 billion years the universe has been around the cosmological computer could have performed about 10,000 billion billion googal ops (10122). And he figures this computer could store 100 billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion bits of information (1092). As a contrast to help you envision this, he calculates that in the entire history of compuation on Earth computers have performed fewer that 20 billion billion billion ops (2 x 1028) with a total storage capacity of fewer than 1000 billion billion bits (1023). Anyway, 10122 ops on 1092 is all it took to get what you see around you. Prager's and Collin's 3.1 billion bits amount to "Hello, World!"
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| ngc1514 | Jun 13 2006, 07:32 PM Post #565 |
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But it doesn't relate to ID in any meaningful way - no more than anyone else's expressing a belief in god. Belief is nice, but it doesn't make meters more. ID stops short of naming the designer. Great, that's like evolution stopping short of showing things evolve. Sounds like the IDers are cranking down the deus ex machina as required.
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| teryt | Jun 13 2006, 07:37 PM Post #566 |
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And here I thought Prager was the most accommodating & least bombastic of the bunch. Rated from least tolerant & most bombastic to the most tolerant & least bombastic, of the ones I listen to on occasion: (Strictly nonscientific - Now we're really off topic, but I'm allowed once) Randy Rhodes - entertaining, but can only take her for short time as she makes constant, wild comments which she doesn't offer to back up Local Air America idiot (forget his name) Savage - almost never listen to him - pretty intolerant Al Franken - he's just Al Franken - pretty full of himself Ron Reagan - very predictable Neil Boortz - Just doesn't appeal much to me, a little cocky Rush - OK, but often in attack mode (actually the main popularizer of bombastisism, but pretty tolerant of caller's opposing views on the air) Laura Ingrahm - can get acerbic, but seems less sensationalized Hugh Hewitt - he can get a little biting and cut people off infrequently Michael Medved - Tough, but pretty fair - allows lots of debate, but has final word (it is his show after all) Dennis Prager - very respectful of other's & their opinions - stresses clarity over agreement - I just like him The last several all have a belief in the Judeo-Christian value system, for what that's worth. |
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| teryt | Jun 13 2006, 07:46 PM Post #567 |
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Ha! False analogy. You can demonstrate a design without naming the designer. You can't demonstrate evolution if you don't show things evolving. |
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| cmoehle | Jun 13 2006, 07:54 PM Post #568 |
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One talking head's about the same as the next far as I'm concerned. OK, I'd like to hear Boortz but he's not available in this area. "Judeo-Christian"? Invention of the early 1950s. Should I dig up the name of the preacher who invented it. Prager harps on that too. What imaginations! |
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| cmoehle | Jun 13 2006, 08:00 PM Post #569 |
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| teryt | Jun 13 2006, 09:34 PM Post #570 |
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