Christians Proclaim "no Conflict"

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Christians Proclaim "no Conflict"; between evolution and biblical creation
Tweet Topic Started: Feb 13 2006, 10:53 AM (894 Views)
Colo_Crawdad	Feb 13 2006, 10:53 AM Post #1
Lowell Posts: 1,808 Group: Members Member #15 Joined: June 21, 2004	Quote: Churches celebrate Evolution Sunday across state, nation. At least 11 congregations in Colorado tailored worship and classes to the notion that believers don't have to choose either evolution or the Bible. . . . It was "Evolution Sunday," celebrated on Charles Darwin's birthday at Christian churches across the country that say evolution does not conflict with biblical creation stories. More at Faithful sing praises of science, creation
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5thwheeler	Feb 13 2006, 11:23 AM Post #2
Get the message? Posts: 1,018 Group: Members Member #161 Joined: March 16, 2005	Combine God and Darwin and what do you get... God used incestuous relations between Apes to create man. I'm bad!
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CalRed	Feb 13 2006, 10:49 PM Post #3
Member Posts: 1,087 Group: Members Member #128 Joined: November 30, 2004	Fortunately all those churches are so far out of the mainstream they aren't even recognized by most Christians. You could see by the number of people attending the church in the picture why they need some publicity. (26 people) Wow!
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cmoehle	Feb 14 2006, 06:27 AM Post #4
Chris - San Antonio TX Posts: 36,959 Group: Members Member #1 Joined: June 6, 2004	Outside your particular mainstream perhaps, Cal. I think the Catholic Church has come to accept evolution, and it represents the by far largest denomination in the US (Catholic 24.5%, Baptist 16.3%, No Religion 14.1%, Christian (no denomination specified) 6.8%, etc (source)). I also question your math again. 26 people? The article indicates almost 450 churches, more than 10,000 Christian ministers. That's a whole lot of preaching for only 26 followers.
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CalRed	Feb 14 2006, 09:46 AM Post #5
Member Posts: 1,087 Group: Members Member #128 Joined: November 30, 2004	Look at the photograph in the article. It shows the entire congregation and I counted 26 people there. And I don't believe the Catholic church has accepted evolution. Could you give us your source for that?
	Something instead of Nothing? "I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something instead of nothing." Alan Sandage


cmoehle	Feb 14 2006, 10:04 AM Post #6
Chris - San Antonio TX Posts: 36,959 Group: Members Member #1 Joined: June 6, 2004	Read the article, Cal, don't just look at the pictures. 450 churches, more than 10,000 Christian ministers.... As for the Catholic Church and Evolution, please read 's Magisterium Is Concerned with Question of Evolution for It Involves Conception of Man, specifically: Quote: ...In his Encyclical Humani generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII had already stated that there was no opposition between evolution and the doctrine of the faith about man and his vocation, on condition that one did not lose sight of several indisputable points.... Taking into account the state of scientific research at the time as well as of the requirements of theology, the Encyclical Humani generis considered the doctrine of "evolutionism" a serious hypothesis, worthy of investigation and in-depth study equal to that of the opposing hypothesis. Pius XII added two methodological conditions: that this opinion should not be adopted as though it were a certain, proven doctrine and as though one could totally prescind from Revelation with regard to the questions it raises. He also spelled out the condition on which this opinion would be compatible with the Christian faith, a point to which I will return. Today, almost half a century after the publication of the Encyclical, new knowledge has led to the recognition of more than one hypothesis in the theory of evolution. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favour of this theory.... Ever since those wonderful '50s.
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passinthru	Feb 14 2006, 10:22 AM Post #7
John - Gainesville, FL Posts: 6,166 Group: Members Member #6 Joined: June 6, 2004	Here's another reference: Evolution and the Pope Quote: That distinction will, no doubt, displease those who think the theory of evolution not only scientifically false but theologically erroneous. Little can be said to persuade Fundamentalist Protestants otherwise. But Catholics who criticize Pope John Paul II for not condemning evolution should recall Pope Pius XII's now half-century old teaching, and avoid trying, in their anti-evolutionary fervor, to be more Catholic than the pope.
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brewster	Feb 14 2006, 10:40 AM Post #8
Winemaker Extraordinaire Posts: 3,467 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: June 21, 2004	Cal, certainly the Presbyterian Church I belong to has accepted evolution, and it is several orders of magnitude bigger than 26.....
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cmoehle	Feb 14 2006, 10:47 AM Post #9
Chris - San Antonio TX Posts: 36,959 Group: Members Member #1 Joined: June 6, 2004	To say these churches accept materialist evolution is not to say they reject a spiritual Creator. But I do think it says that a literalist reading of Genesis misses something conveyable only through myth, namely the Judaic view of man's relation to God and the world around him.
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CalRed	Feb 14 2006, 11:44 PM Post #10
Member Posts: 1,087 Group: Members Member #128 Joined: November 30, 2004	Gosh Chris...those churches each have 23 ministers? Must be some kind of church???
	Something instead of Nothing? "I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something instead of nothing." Alan Sandage


cmoehle	Feb 15 2006, 06:14 AM Post #11
Chris - San Antonio TX Posts: 36,959 Group: Members Member #1 Joined: June 6, 2004	Gosh, Cal, did you read the article yet? And, what, no questions about mainstream Christianity's acceptance of evolution? That's the main point here.
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tomdrobin	Feb 15 2006, 09:47 PM Post #12
Member Posts: 2,531 Group: Members Member #27 Joined: July 2, 2004	With what we know now about the relativeness of time, there isn't necessarily a contradiction between creationism and evolution. Evolution may in fact be part of the creation story. The problem is mostly with those who attempt strictly literal interpretation of the scriptures. Rather than regarding them as stories that have been passed down generation to generation. And, as such perhaps have many truthful elements, but also like many stories repeated and copied over and over, may not be 100% factual. I read an interesting article today while waiting for my mother in the dentist's office. I think it was in Newsweek. It told how DNA analysis could be used to determine a persons ancestory. According to the article ancestral DNA could be traced back to one human pair (named the Adam & Eve pair) in Africa. If I remember correctly it was something like 30K years ago. There are many unanswered questions. One hypothesis suggested possible mating between early humans and Neanthradals. That would explain some of the types seen today. I believe there is bible scripture stating there was mating between "the sons of god", and the "daughters of man" or something similar. There was also a DNA link found between a certian Jewish tribe and a population in Africa who had previously had the decsendance as part of their folk lore/religion. I thought one case was particularly amusing. A gentleman who considered himself to be African-American, and was quite interested in black history etc., submitted his DNA to test for his roots. Instead of Africa, they turned out to be Indo-European (whatever that is), and Native American.



cmoehle	Feb 15 2006, 10:22 PM Post #13
Chris - San Antonio TX Posts: 36,959 Group: Members Member #1 Joined: June 6, 2004	Indo-European is a reconstructed language, ansector of modern languages of Europe, Persia, India, some of Asia.
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cmoehle	Feb 16 2006, 06:11 AM Post #14
Chris - San Antonio TX Posts: 36,959 Group: Members Member #1 Joined: June 6, 2004	There's a little irony lurking here in the claim that mainstream Christianity rejects evolution. You have to look back in history a little bit to know that Christian fundamentalism actually had its origins, with the publication of "The Fundamentals" around 1910, as a reaction to two scientific developments. One was German Bible criticism that focuses on the authors, dates, and places a test is created, especially Biblical texts. The other was Darwinism, the most popular version of evolutionary theory back then, with this reaction culminating in the Scopes Trial or 1925. As such, fundamentalism is but a religious right faction within various Christian denominations and can hardly be called mainstream.
	Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater


abradf2519	Feb 16 2006, 08:44 AM Post #15
Member Posts: 1,317 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: November 19, 2004	The question I have is: Are they talking about "Evolution" or "abiogenesis"? Abiogenesis directly contradicts the concept of creation.
	Alan Milan, New York, USA

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