Cheney Shoots Man In Texas

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Cheney Shoots Man In Texas
Tweet Topic Started: Feb 12 2006, 03:05 PM (2,417 Views)
tomdrobin	Feb 15 2006, 09:25 PM Post #76
Member Posts: 2,531 Group: Members Member #27 Joined: July 2, 2004	ngc1514 Feb 16 2006, 12:48 AM Now, let me ask you the same general question: How do you think the conservatives would have responded if it was learned that Mr. Clinton was conducting wiretaps without a court order? Just curious. I thought I read somwhere that he did use covert activity such as this, but at the time it was for economic reasons, trying to protect the economy rather than merely citizins. With regard to the hunting accident. Although, a terrible thing to have happen, I don't think the conclusions that Cheney is selft centered etc. that are being drawn are valid. It seems those out of power are desperate to pounce on anything to criticize.



cmoehle	Feb 16 2006, 06:35 AM Post #77
Chris - San Antonio TX Posts: 36,959 Group: Members Member #1 Joined: June 6, 2004	I guess the dispute as to who was to blame, Cheney or Widdington, has been settled: Cheney accepts blame for shooting.
	Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater


Photobitstream	Feb 16 2006, 08:20 AM Post #78
Darron - Austin, TX Posts: 1,025 Group: Members Member #229 Joined: December 15, 2005	cmoehle Feb 15 2006, 08:26 PM I like him. At least the Veep is conservative. C'mon, Chris. Cheney cannot open his mouth without lying. He was the driving force behind our rush to war in Iraq. His office outed a covert CIA agent and then he lied to investigators about his involvement. He held secret meetings with oil company executives in the White House. Cheney even went on the Senate floor and urged lawmakers to allow U.S. agents to continue torturing prisoners. There is nothing about the man to like. He is doing everything he possibly can to dismantle the Constitution and line the coffers of his rich buddies. The man is uttely contemptible.
	"Their chief weapon, however, was their capacity to astonish. Nobody else could believe, until it was much too late, just how heartless and greedy they actually were." Kurt Vonnegut, Breakfast of Champions


cmoehle	Feb 16 2006, 08:43 AM Post #79
Chris - San Antonio TX Posts: 36,959 Group: Members Member #1 Joined: June 6, 2004	Once again, the hyperbole is amazing. IMO, he was wrong about the nexus of threat, but let's not call being wrong a lie. His office may have outed a CIA agent, that has not even gone to court. As with conflating wrong with lie, let's not conflate private with secret. Just the other day you argument the Administration has great infuence on Congress, so why shouldn't he urge lawmakers--and let's not conflate torture with interrogate. I like the man. I ignore hyperbole.
	Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater


roscoe	Feb 16 2006, 09:51 AM Post #80
Member Posts: 1,142 Group: Members Member #53 Joined: July 17, 2004	Yeah. Blast is a regular Mr. Rogers.



pentax	Feb 16 2006, 10:21 AM Post #81
Kamloops - BC Interior Posts: 6,649 Group: Members Member #16 Joined: June 21, 2004	cmoehle Feb 15 2006, 06:26 PM I like him. At least the Veep is conservative. Well, he was certainly "conservative" with his own butt in the '60s.... or should I say "PRE-servative"??? "I had other priorities at the time." - Yeah, well there's a big black wall in DC that's FULL of "other priorities". But he can sure hustle somebodys kids' ass over to Iraq, can't he?
	(thumbnail) "Kirk to Enterprise - Very funny, Scotty.... now beam down my clothes!"


cmoehle	Feb 16 2006, 10:31 AM Post #82
Chris - San Antonio TX Posts: 36,959 Group: Members Member #1 Joined: June 6, 2004	So military service determines political principle?
	Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater


justme	Feb 16 2006, 10:44 AM Post #83
Member Posts: 434 Group: Members Member #55 Joined: July 18, 2004	this debate is getting very political-- needless to say. Lets not forget that Cheney is deeply sorry for this event and that he is a good and decent man. He was slow at shouting out the window of his mistake, but I don't hold that against him. The Washington press corp are opportunists and out of line on this matter. The general population doesn't think this incident is worthy of the alarm by the Press. It is a press firestorm not a population firestorm.



campingken	Feb 16 2006, 12:39 PM Post #84
Member Posts: 1,332 Group: Members Member #56 Joined: July 18, 2004	Spikefish, If you run through at stop sign and kill someone you may face manslaughter charges. It would depend on the road and traffic conditions plus your speed and blood alcohol level. A Hollywood stop is different than just "blasting" on through the thing. When you chose to use a potentially deadly implement you and only you are responsible for the damage caused by any careless act. I would hope that if a hunting partner shot me he would at least go with me to the hospital. But then had this been done the police would have been summonded and a blood draw of the VP would have been done. This is the part that reminds me of the Kennedy Bridge incident. Cheney is just luckier in that his victim didn't die.. Ken



DocInBird	Feb 16 2006, 04:34 PM Post #85
Member Posts: 1,292 Group: Members Member #180 Joined: July 2, 2005	It didn't take very long. Today a car passed me with a bumper sticker that said, "Duck. It's Dick!"
	--doc Just Doc and Orson (German Shepherd) wandering around North America.


5thwheeler	Feb 16 2006, 04:59 PM Post #86
Get the message? Posts: 1,018 Group: Members Member #161 Joined: March 16, 2005	spikefish Feb 14 2006, 05:45 PM " Still haven't seen a post from any poster who has never made a mistake. BTW--Personally, I do not particularly care for Mr. Cheney. To error is human, to forgive is not forum policy! Cheney being interviewed by Fox News (choke!) is like GW being interviewed by Carl Rove.
	History 101: When a popular myth is believed to be factual, teach the myth. Its not possible to underestimate the intelligence of the voting populous. Hummm, after seeing the results of the 06 election, I may have to modify my perception of the voting populous and refer to them as "Late Bloomers".


justme	Feb 16 2006, 05:54 PM Post #87
Member Posts: 434 Group: Members Member #55 Joined: July 18, 2004	5thwheeler Feb 16 2006, 05:59 PM Cheney being interviewed by Fox News (choke!) is like GW being interviewed by Carl Rove. that is rediculous. Hume is one of the most level headed news anchors out there. Can you show something to the contrary?



cruiser	Feb 16 2006, 06:59 PM Post #88
Member Posts: 950 Group: Members Member #141 Joined: January 2, 2005	What I am trying to find out is "WHY", did not Cheney go to the hospital with the man and friend that he shot, go to the hospital with him. He had two secret service cars at his disposal! The only reason that I can think of is "he was drunk" or had been drinking. If "YOU" had been in the same situation would you have gone to the hospital with him? I sure would have, unless I had something to hide. I think this question needs some answering.
	Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction. Blaise Pascal (1623 - 1662)


cruiser	Feb 16 2006, 07:10 PM Post #89
Member Posts: 950 Group: Members Member #141 Joined: January 2, 2005	All of this is just bullsh*t on the part of the Bush /Cheney people. Even if the man that I had shot was a stranger, I would have gone to the hospital with him! Anybody out there on this forum that would not have gone to the hospital with him is a POS. This tells me that Cheney a "KNOWN DRINKER" , two DUI's on his record and did not want to be at the hospital under the influence of alcohol.
	Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction. Blaise Pascal (1623 - 1662)


Stoney	Feb 16 2006, 07:16 PM Post #90
Huntsville, AL Posts: 2,771 Group: Members Member #216 Joined: October 22, 2005	It's easy to read whatever you want to into the situation. That dosen't make it truth. It just makes it political banter. We talk about someone spreading lies, but don't hesitate to spread what we don't know is truth. As a matter of fact, if I had shot a friend by mistake I don't know what I'd do, nor do I expect, would most of us. I sure wouldn't have gone out and faced a hostile media without some time to compose myself.. Cheney is guilty of a terrible thing.
	The character inherent in the American people has done all that has been accomplished; and it would have done somewhat more, if the government had not sometimes got in its way. Henry David Thoreau

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