Cheney Shoots Man In Texas

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Cheney Shoots Man In Texas
Tweet Topic Started: Feb 12 2006, 03:05 PM (2,419 Views)
spikefish	Feb 13 2006, 07:43 PM Post #46
Spike-Gulf of Texas Posts: 127 Group: Members Member #248 Joined: December 30, 2005	Stoney, Great shots! Funny! This incident will generate more cartoons than Clinton's "no sex" comment.
	Gulf of Texas


cmoehle	Feb 13 2006, 07:45 PM Post #47
Chris - San Antonio TX Posts: 36,959 Group: Members Member #1 Joined: June 6, 2004	spikefish Feb 13 2006, 07:47 PM C'mon Ditchbug, Comparing an accident when hunting that resulted in minor injury with a automobile driving off a bridge, then the driver hiding, is really apples and oranges. A lot of nonsense has been posted about this incident; I especially like some of the comments about guns. Never saw a greater example of folks making a statement about something they know nothing about. I even heard this AM a guy make a statement that there was no such thing as a 28 gauge; his assertions were taken as fact until rebuked. But, this "expert" will probably be quoted. Right, but the defense of Cheney is just as nonsensical. So who's Ditchbug?
	Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater


Stoney	Feb 13 2006, 07:48 PM Post #48
Huntsville, AL Posts: 2,771 Group: Members Member #216 Joined: October 22, 2005	spikefish Feb 13 2006, 08:43 PM Stoney, Great shots! Funny! This incident will generate more cartoons than Clinton's "no sex" comment. There's already so many out there it's hard to pick and choose.
	The character inherent in the American people has done all that has been accomplished; and it would have done somewhat more, if the government had not sometimes got in its way. Henry David Thoreau


cruiser	Feb 13 2006, 07:54 PM Post #49
Member Posts: 950 Group: Members Member #141 Joined: January 2, 2005	Ken, you are a retired leo, What about having learned something about background before you pull the trigger. LAPD made it very clear. Seems like Cheney was either drinking or just careless. All of his supposed experience did not help him, even in politics. shoot first ask questions later, sound familiar?
	Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction. Blaise Pascal (1623 - 1662)


spikefish	Feb 13 2006, 08:09 PM Post #50
Spike-Gulf of Texas Posts: 127 Group: Members Member #248 Joined: December 30, 2005	cruiser Feb 13 2006, 07:54 PM Ken, you are a retired leo, What about having learned something about background before you pull the trigger. LAPD made it very clear. Seems like Cheney was either drinking or just careless. All of his supposed experience did not help him, even in politics. shoot first ask questions later, sound familiar? LAPD? Didn't know they had jurisdiction, or know a lot about quail hunting. "drinking"? Big stretch!!!
	Gulf of Texas


campingken	Feb 13 2006, 08:15 PM Post #51
Member Posts: 1,332 Group: Members Member #56 Joined: July 18, 2004	Cruiser, It was a pre-emptive shot. Wonder if Cheney will be interviewed by the cops. In Ca if someone seeks medical attention for a gunshot wound the law becomes involved. Spikefish, So point out the difference. Kennedy didn't call the cops after the bridge incident because he was likely drunk. It was pure luck that Cheney didn't kill the guy he shot. I have seen dead people filled with birdshot over the years. So whay did "BLAST" wait 24 hours? Probably because he needed to sober up. His prior DUI arrests indicate that he is a guy who drinks when he wants then does what he wants. Who and what is a "Ditchbug?" Is getting shot S.O.P where you quail hunt?? Ken



CalRed	Feb 13 2006, 10:39 PM Post #52
Member Posts: 1,087 Group: Members Member #128 Joined: November 30, 2004	QUAIL WITH PLUM SAUCE 1 cup plum jelly, 2 tbsps. Catsup, 2 tbsps. apple cider vinegar, 1/2 tsp. dry mustard, 4 tbsps. Soy sauce, 6 quail Preheat oven to 375 degrees. While the oven is heating, make plum sauce by thoroughly all condiments and spices. Place quail in a glass baking dish, and roast, uncovered, 15-20 minutes. Brush with plum sauce, and roast 10 minutes more. Serve with the remaining plum sauce, heated and presented in a gravy boat. It is very important to select the proper wine for this dish.
	Something instead of Nothing? "I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something instead of nothing." Alan Sandage


spikefish	Feb 13 2006, 11:31 PM Post #53
Spike-Gulf of Texas Posts: 127 Group: Members Member #248 Joined: December 30, 2005	Ken, The big difference between Cheney and Kennedy is Cheney was in daylight and Cheney had many witnesses. You are making a great jump to accuse Cheney of being drunk. A ditchbug is a crawfish, a slight jab towards Crawdad. As far as getting shot when bird hunting; no, I have not, I have been 'sprinkled' from overhead shots. I have been a competitive skeet shooter for over 17 years, a hunter for over 50 years, and have fired in excess of 25,000 (estimate) rounds of shotshells. I assure you that a 28 gauge birdshot is not normally a life threatening incident, except less than ~15 yards. I am not minimilizing what occurred, and am happy there was no serious injury, but it was not the BLAST some would imagine.
	Gulf of Texas


puli-one	Feb 14 2006, 12:20 AM Post #54
Member Posts: 508 Group: Members Member #70 Joined: July 23, 2004	Spike- I have about the same experience, except competitive shooting for over 25, no matter the difference.....be it birds or animals.. you don't pull a trigger until you know where each of your party members are. It is your responsibility to know, not the other person's to duck, plain pure negilgence, nothing more.
	Don & Donna Puli Pup - Kelly


Photobitstream	Feb 14 2006, 06:43 AM Post #55
Darron - Austin, TX Posts: 1,025 Group: Members Member #229 Joined: December 15, 2005	One thing I've wondered since I first heard about this: Why didn't they have a dog retrieve the downed bird? And id anyone else notice that they got out of their cars to go flush the birds? That isn't hunting friends, that's killing for the sake of shooting a gun. And why was Cheney shooting at a low-flying bird? One thing I leanred as a child, never pull the trigger on a bird flying below head height. Actually, I was taught never to pull the trigger on a bird flying lower than about 20 feet. Why. Safety, of course. Frankly, any ethical hunter should be appalled at this entire episode. They were hunting from cars and disregarding basic safety procedures. Unethical and stupid.
	"Their chief weapon, however, was their capacity to astonish. Nobody else could believe, until it was much too late, just how heartless and greedy they actually were." Kurt Vonnegut, Breakfast of Champions


Photobitstream	Feb 14 2006, 07:19 AM Post #56
Darron - Austin, TX Posts: 1,025 Group: Members Member #229 Joined: December 15, 2005	This is the kind of hunter we have as Vice President of the United States. Quote: Five-hundred pheasants were released in front of Cheney and his men; and the ten-man hunting party killed 417 of the birds. Vice President Cheney alone shot over 70 pheasants. Apparently this latest hunt is par for the course. The man is despicable.
	"Their chief weapon, however, was their capacity to astonish. Nobody else could believe, until it was much too late, just how heartless and greedy they actually were." Kurt Vonnegut, Breakfast of Champions


cmoehle	Feb 14 2006, 09:12 AM Post #57
Chris - San Antonio TX Posts: 36,959 Group: Members Member #1 Joined: June 6, 2004	Not everyone has lost their sense of humor... TV Comedians Target Cheney Accident Quote: Television talk shows took aim Monday at Vice President Dick Cheney's accidental weekend shooting in Texas of a hunting companion. Here's a few of the jokes. "Late Show with David Letterman," CBS: "Good news, ladies and gentlemen, we have finally located weapons of mass destruction: It's Dick Cheney." "But here is the sad part before the trip Donald Rumsfeld had denied the guy's request for body armor." "We can't get Bin Laden, but we nailed a 78-year-old attorney." "The guy who got gunned down, he is a Republican lawyer and a big Republican donor and fortunately the buck shot was deflected by wads of laundered cash. So he's fine. He took a little in the wallet." "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno," NBC: "Although it is beautiful here in California, the weather back East has been atrocious. There was so much snow in Washington, D.C., Dick Cheney accidentally shot a fat guy thinking it was a polar bear. "That's the big story over the weekend. � Dick Cheney accidentally shot a fellow hunter, a 78-year-old lawyer. In fact, when people found out he shot a lawyer, his popularity is now at 92 percent." "I think Cheney is starting to lose it. After he shot the guy he screamed, 'Anyone else want to call domestic wire tapping illegal?'" "Dick Cheney is capitalizing on this for Valentine's Day. It's the new Dick Cheney cologne. It's called Duck!" "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart," Comedy Central: "Vice President Dick Cheney accidentally shot a man during a quail hunt � making 78-year-old Harry Whittington the first person shot by a sitting veep since Alexander Hamilton. Hamilton, of course, (was) shot in a duel with Aaron Burr over issues of honor, integrity and political maneuvering. Whittington? Mistaken for a bird." "Now, this story certainly has its humorous aspects. � But it also raises a serious issue, one which I feel very strongly about. � moms, dads, if you're watching right now, I can't emphasize this enough: Do not let your kids go on hunting trips with the vice president. I don't care what kind of lucrative contracts they're trying to land, or energy regulations they're trying to get lifted it's just not worth it."
	Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater


CalRed	Feb 14 2006, 09:40 AM Post #58
Member Posts: 1,087 Group: Members Member #128 Joined: November 30, 2004	Quote: And why was Cheney shooting at a low-flying bird? One thing I learned as a child, never pull the trigger on a bird flying below head height. Actually, I was taught never to pull the trigger on a bird flying lower than about 20 feet. Why. Safety, of course. Have you eve really been quail hunting??? Quail don't fly as high as 20 feet. If you wait on them to fly that high then you would never shoot one. Quail rarely get higher than 9 or 10 feet off the ground and always fly away from you. Maybe you're thinking of dove hunting???
	Something instead of Nothing? "I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something instead of nothing." Alan Sandage


Photobitstream	Feb 14 2006, 09:51 AM Post #59
Darron - Austin, TX Posts: 1,025 Group: Members Member #229 Joined: December 15, 2005	Actually Cal, I was thinking of pheasant. You're right. Quail fly low. Our English Pointer once chased one down and caught it in flight. Brought it to my Dad still alive. Still doesn't excuse Cheney for mistaking a man in a bright orange vest for a bird. Or for participating in hunts where the birds are released from nets in front of the shooters. That is not hunting, it is skeet practice with live game.
	"Their chief weapon, however, was their capacity to astonish. Nobody else could believe, until it was much too late, just how heartless and greedy they actually were." Kurt Vonnegut, Breakfast of Champions


passinthru	Feb 14 2006, 10:00 AM Post #60
John - Gainesville, FL Posts: 6,166 Group: Members Member #6 Joined: June 6, 2004	Quote: always fly away from you Not always... I had one almost fly into my face. (must have been reading some book on facing your fears ) Everywhere I used to hunt has a house on it. ...progress...
	Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money...


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