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Cheney Shoots Man In Texas
Tweet Topic Started: Feb 12 2006, 03:05 PM (2,413 Views)
cmoehle	Feb 19 2006, 07:18 PM Post #136
Chris - San Antonio TX Posts: 36,959 Group: Members Member #1 Joined: June 6, 2004	Yep, nothing like partisan blindness. BTW, what was it Cheney shrilly said to Leahy that time in the Senate?
	Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater


silverfox	Feb 19 2006, 07:29 PM Post #137
Member Posts: 252 Group: Members Member #227 Joined: December 11, 2005	cmoehle Feb 19 2006, 07:18 PM Yep, nothing like partisan blindness. BTW, what was it Cheney shrilly said to Leahy that time in the Senate? No it is my perception. Also cheney was quite constrained considering what Leahy was saying which was blantant BS. Leahy can get on most anyones nerves sometimes.



cmoehle	Feb 19 2006, 07:42 PM Post #138
Chris - San Antonio TX Posts: 36,959 Group: Members Member #1 Joined: June 6, 2004	And Cheney, being human, can let people get under that comfortable skin and turn shrill. Listen, I like him, he's conservative, something you can't say for Bush. But he is human, and deification is as blind partisanship as demonization. Fortunately the two cancel each other out.
	Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater


Photobitstream	Feb 19 2006, 07:47 PM Post #139
Darron - Austin, TX Posts: 1,025 Group: Members Member #229 Joined: December 15, 2005	silverfox Feb 19 2006, 07:10 PM Seems to me that the non conservatives don't like Chaney because of his straight forward and plain talking demeanor. I have always wondered why the left seems to denigrate him. Could it be that they can not deal with plain talking people or is it that they want to speak poorly of anyone who has power that they want desperately. Chaney seems to have real friends and maybe that is why the left don't like him I think that speaks volumes of his charactor. Also he seems comfortable in his own skin-- I never heard him become shrill about any of the dirt slung against him. Nope. We don't like Cheney because he cannot open his mouth without lying, he never admits a mistake, and he has been the guiding force behind the biggest military and political blunder in U.S. history. If you haven't heard him become shrill about any of the dirt slung at him then you haven't been paying attention. Remember two years ago, when the berated the New York Times for misquoting him, and video showed they quoted him word for word? Dec. 9, 2001, Dick Cheney on "Meet the Press" Quote: VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, what we now have that's developed since you and I last talked, Tim, of course, was that report that--it's been pretty well confirmed that he did go to Prague and he did meet with a senior official of the Iraqi intelligence service in Czechoslovakia last April, several months before the attack. Now, what the purpose of that was, what transpired between them, we simply don't know at this point, but that's clearly an avenue that we want to pursue. MR. RUSSERT: What we do know is they--Iraq is harboring terrorists. VICE PRES. CHENEY: Correct. source From a July 17, 2004 interview with CSNBC Quote: Borger: Well, let's get to Mohamed Atta for a minute because you mentioned him as well. You have said in the past that it was, quote, "pretty well confirmed." Cheney: No, I never said that. Borger: OK. Cheney: I never said that. Borger: I think that is... Cheney: Absolutely not. What I said was the Czech intelligence service reported after 9/11 that Atta had been in Prague on April 9 of 2001, where he allegedly met with an Iraqi intelligence official. We have never been able to confirm that nor have we been able to knock it down, we just don't know. source Then of course, there is the infamous "last throes" comment. And all Cheney's lies about WMDs well after it had become obvious they did not exists. And his secret White House meetings with oil company executives regarding energy policy. Ad infinitum...
	"Their chief weapon, however, was their capacity to astonish. Nobody else could believe, until it was much too late, just how heartless and greedy they actually were." Kurt Vonnegut, Breakfast of Champions


Photobitstream	Feb 19 2006, 07:49 PM Post #140
Darron - Austin, TX Posts: 1,025 Group: Members Member #229 Joined: December 15, 2005	silverfox Feb 19 2006, 07:29 PM No it is my perception. Also cheney was quite constrained... "Go f**k yourself" is constrained?
	"Their chief weapon, however, was their capacity to astonish. Nobody else could believe, until it was much too late, just how heartless and greedy they actually were." Kurt Vonnegut, Breakfast of Champions


Stoney	Feb 19 2006, 07:58 PM Post #141
Huntsville, AL Posts: 2,771 Group: Members Member #216 Joined: October 22, 2005	Quote: We don't like Cheney because he cannot open his mouth without lying, he never admits a mistake.... So that applies to Clinton as well? Each party is viewed equally as to lying and not being able to admit mistakes?
	The character inherent in the American people has done all that has been accomplished; and it would have done somewhat more, if the government had not sometimes got in its way. Henry David Thoreau


Photobitstream	Feb 19 2006, 08:13 PM Post #142
Darron - Austin, TX Posts: 1,025 Group: Members Member #229 Joined: December 15, 2005	Have you ever heard me say I like Bill Clinton? Of course the lies apply to Clinton as well. Why do republicans keep bringing up Clinton? He is no longer our president. And if the best defense Republicans can come up with is to put their hands on their hips and whine "Billy did it too!" then their party is in serious trouble.
	"Their chief weapon, however, was their capacity to astonish. Nobody else could believe, until it was much too late, just how heartless and greedy they actually were." Kurt Vonnegut, Breakfast of Champions


Stoney	Feb 19 2006, 08:31 PM Post #143
Huntsville, AL Posts: 2,771 Group: Members Member #216 Joined: October 22, 2005	Because most of these condemnations occur along party lines. It seems that most people who now condemn GW for �lies� before defended Bill Clinton for his lies.
	The character inherent in the American people has done all that has been accomplished; and it would have done somewhat more, if the government had not sometimes got in its way. Henry David Thoreau


Photobitstream	Feb 19 2006, 08:58 PM Post #144
Darron - Austin, TX Posts: 1,025 Group: Members Member #229 Joined: December 15, 2005	Well Stoney, ya gotta admit Clinton's lies did not lead the deaths of tens of thousands of people. And somehow I doubt Bill would have flown to California to accept a guitar while thousands of people in New Orleans needed help. And Clinton's VP, while a fool, did not deny he said things people had him on videotape saying.
	"Their chief weapon, however, was their capacity to astonish. Nobody else could believe, until it was much too late, just how heartless and greedy they actually were." Kurt Vonnegut, Breakfast of Champions


cmoehle	Feb 20 2006, 05:51 AM Post #145
Chris - San Antonio TX Posts: 36,959 Group: Members Member #1 Joined: June 6, 2004	Can you, Darron, show us where Cheney denies saying what he said? Can you show us where he has been shown to be a liar? Better yet, give us your re-definition of "lie" so we know what we're talking about here.
	Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater


Photobitstream	Feb 20 2006, 10:29 AM Post #146
Darron - Austin, TX Posts: 1,025 Group: Members Member #229 Joined: December 15, 2005	cmoehle Feb 20 2006, 05:51 AM Can you, Darron, show us where Cheney denies saying what he said? Can you show us where he has been shown to be a liar? Better yet, give us your re-definition of "lie" so we know what we're talking about here. I already showed you that Chris. Not only did I provide links to the sources, I provided the relevant quotes. What more do you want? I'm not going to play semantic games with you.
	"Their chief weapon, however, was their capacity to astonish. Nobody else could believe, until it was much too late, just how heartless and greedy they actually were." Kurt Vonnegut, Breakfast of Champions


Stoney	Feb 20 2006, 10:59 AM Post #147
Huntsville, AL Posts: 2,771 Group: Members Member #216 Joined: October 22, 2005	Photobitstream Feb 19 2006, 09:58 PM Well Stoney, ya gotta admit Clinton's lies did not lead the deaths of tens of thousands of people. And somehow I doubt Bill would have flown to California to accept a guitar while thousands of people in New Orleans needed help. And Clinton's VP, while a fool, did not deny he said things people had him on videotape saying. So actually it's not about lies?
	The character inherent in the American people has done all that has been accomplished; and it would have done somewhat more, if the government had not sometimes got in its way. Henry David Thoreau


cmoehle	Feb 20 2006, 11:49 AM Post #148
Chris - San Antonio TX Posts: 36,959 Group: Members Member #1 Joined: June 6, 2004	Photobitstream Feb 20 2006, 11:29 AM cmoehle Feb 20 2006, 05:51 AM Can you, Darron, show us where Cheney denies saying what he said? Can you show us where he has been shown to be a liar? Better yet, give us your re-definition of "lie" so we know what we're talking about here. I already showed you that Chris. Not only did I provide links to the sources, I provided the relevant quotes. What more do you want? I'm not going to play semantic games with you. If you cannot define "lie", or frame it somehow, then I see nothing in the quotes to indicate lies. I see misunderstandings. I see faulty intelligence. I see opinions expressed. I see mistakes. I hear your judgment it implies lies. I, personally, see no indication of deliberate falsification or distortion. Nor do I see where you do anything to show that.
	Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater


Photobitstream	Feb 20 2006, 03:49 PM Post #149
Darron - Austin, TX Posts: 1,025 Group: Members Member #229 Joined: December 15, 2005	Dec. 9, 2001 Quote: it's been pretty well confirmed that he did go to Prague and he did meet with a senior official of the Iraqi intelligence service in Czechoslovakia last April, several months before the attack. July 17, 2004 Quote: No, I never said that. If you do not consider that a lie then you and I speak different languages.
	"Their chief weapon, however, was their capacity to astonish. Nobody else could believe, until it was much too late, just how heartless and greedy they actually were." Kurt Vonnegut, Breakfast of Champions


cmoehle	Feb 20 2006, 04:36 PM Post #150
Chris - San Antonio TX Posts: 36,959 Group: Members Member #1 Joined: June 6, 2004	Looking back at the context is seems quite clear to me he did not say that. Borger implies he said it: "You have said in the past that it was, quote, "pretty well confirmed." Cheney corrects him. Afterall, he was talking about a report that said it: "was that report that--it's been pretty well confirmed." If you find that a lie, then indeed we do speak different versions of English.
	Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater

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