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Their Own Version Of A Big Bang; Those who believe in creationism
Topic Started: Feb 11 2006, 11:36 AM (151 Views)
5thwheeler
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This is great stuff, we have a new crop of future Liberals in the making!

When these kids reach the age of reasoning, most, if not all will rip off their hoodwinks and start thinking for themselves. :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Their Own Version of a Big Bang
Those who believe in creationism -- children and adults -- are being taught to challenge evolution's tenets in an in-your-face way.

By Stephanie Simon, Times Staff Writer

WAYNE, N.J. — Evangelist Ken Ham smiled at the 2,300 elementary students packed into pews, their faces rapt. With dinosaur puppets and silly cartoons, he was training them to reject much of geology, paleontology and evolutionary biology as a sinister tangle of lies.

"Boys and girls," Ham said. If a teacher so much as mentions evolution, or the Big Bang, or an era when dinosaurs ruled the Earth, "you put your hand up and you say, 'Excuse me, were you there?' Can you remember that?"
 
The children roared their assent.

"Sometimes people will answer, 'No, but you weren't there either,' " Ham told them. "Then you say, 'No, I wasn't, but I know someone who was, and I have his book about the history of the world.' " He waved his Bible in the air.

"Who's the only one who's always been there?" Ham asked.

"God!" the boys and girls shouted.

"Who's the only one who knows everything?"

"God!"

"So who should you always trust, God or the scientists?"

The children answered with a thundering: "God!"

A former high-school biology teacher, Ham travels the nation training children as young as 5 to challenge science orthodoxy. He doesn't engage in the political and legal fights that have erupted over the teaching of evolution. His strategy is more subtle: He aims to give people who trust the biblical account of creation the confidence to defend their views — aggressively.

He urges students to offer creationist critiques of their textbooks, parents to take on science museum docents, professionals to raise the subject with colleagues. If Ham has done his job well, his acolytes will ask enough pointed questions — and set forth enough persuasive arguments — to shake the doctrine of Darwin.

"We're going to arm you with Christian Patriot missiles," Ham, 54, recently told the 1,200 adults gathered at Calvary Temple here in northern New Jersey. It was a Friday night, the kickoff of a heavily advertised weekend conference sponsored by Ham's ministry, Answers in Genesis.

To a burst of applause, Ham exhorted: "Get out and change the world!"

Over the last two decades, this type of "creation evangelism" has become a booming industry. Several hundred independent speakers promote biblical creation at churches, colleges, private schools, Rotary clubs. They lead tours to the Grand Canyon or the local museum to study the world through a creationist lens.

They churn out stacks of home-schooling material. A geology text devotes a chapter to Noah's flood; an astronomy book quotes Genesis on the origins of the universe; a science unit for second-graders features daily "evolution stumpers" that teach children to argue against the theory that is a cornerstone of modern science.

Answers in Genesis is the biggest of these ministries. Ham co-founded the nonprofit in his native Australia in 1979. The U.S. branch, funded mostly by donations, has an annual budget of $15 million and 160 employees who produce books and DVDs, maintain a comprehensive website, and arrange more than 500 speeches a year for Ham and four other full-time evangelists.

With pulpit-thumping passion, Ham insists the Bible be taken literally: God created the universe and all its creatures in six 24-hour days, roughly 6,000 years ago.

Hundreds of pastors will preach a different message Sunday, in honor of Charles Darwin's 197th birthday. In a national campaign, they will tell congregations that it's possible to be a Christian and accept evolution.

Ham considers that treason. When pastors dismiss the creation account as a fable, he says, they give their flock license to disregard the Bible's moral teachings as well. He shows his audiences a graphic that places the theory of evolution at the root of all social ills: abortion, divorce, racism, gay marriage, store clerks who say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas."

History 101: When a popular myth is believed to be factual, teach the myth.

Its not possible to underestimate the intelligence of the voting populous.

Hummm, after seeing the results of the 06 election, I may have to modify my perception of the voting populous and refer to them as "Late Bloomers".

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It's too bad they feel so threatened they can't challenge evolutionary theory scientifically and advance it.
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When these kids reach the age of reasoning, most, if not all will rip off their hoodwinks and start thinking for themselves.

Are you saying that based on faith alone, or do you have a reason to think so?

Based on what I've seen of the way schools in many western countries are teaching science, I think it's only going to get worse...

Until we teach children that science is a process of gathering facts, theorizing, then testing the theory, there's no reason they should choose to believe the pronouncements of "Science From On High" vs "Religion From On High". They're both just pronouncements.
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Feb 11 2006, 11:52 AM
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When these kids reach the age of reasoning, most, if not all will rip off their hoodwinks and start thinking for themselves.

Are you saying that based on faith alone, or do you have a reason to think so?

Based on what I've seen of the way schools in many western countries are teaching science, I think it's only going to get worse...

Until we teach children that science is a process of gathering facts, theorizing, then testing the theory, there's no reason they should choose to believe the pronouncements of "Science From On High" vs "Religion From On High". They're both just pronouncements.

I base my statement on my own experiences, and that of my friends. Our view of the world changed dramatically at about the age of 15. Thats when we cast off the shackles of blind acceptance and started questioning, questioning, questioning, all to the dismay of our fixed minded parents.
History 101: When a popular myth is believed to be factual, teach the myth.

Its not possible to underestimate the intelligence of the voting populous.

Hummm, after seeing the results of the 06 election, I may have to modify my perception of the voting populous and refer to them as "Late Bloomers".

:ohmy:
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campingken
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We are doing our best to ensure that our children will NOT be able to compete with the well educated Asian and Europeans. We gradutae kids from High Schoolk who can't read or right and now teach them that real science comes from a strict interpution of the bible.

Our 726 Billion trade inbalance is just the tip of a future iceburg.

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5thwheeler
Feb 11 2006, 02:35 PM



I base my statement on my own experiences, and that of my friends. Our view of the world changed dramatically at about the age of 15. Thats when we cast off the shackles of blind acceptance and started questioning, questioning, questioning, all to the dismay of our fixed minded parents.

Ask many 15 yr. olds about the meaning of life lately ? A common answer besides a blank stare would be Chill out dude.

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I am sure the Indians and Chinese are rushing this into their classrooms so that they won't fall behind us in the sciences. :whistle:
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campingken
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OOPS!! after reviewing my post I see that I must be one of those who went to SCHOOLK and can't read or RIGHT!!!


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silverfox
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Kids are growing up faster these days than they did 50 years ago. I hope they learn well and keep things in context. The sciences are advancing at an exponential rate and so is our understanding of religion as long as one keeps it in context of the time it was written. It is deplorable to shield the kids from any of the aspects of life and knowledge as they grow up.
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"...so is our understanding of religion as long as one keeps it in context of the time it was written."

Indeed, by application of science--anthropology and history, linguistics and textual analysis, and others tools.
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Feb 12 2006, 07:22 PM
Kids are growing up faster these days than they did 50 years ago. I hope they learn well and keep things in context. The sciences are advancing at an exponential rate and so is our understanding of religion as long as one keeps it in context of the time it was written. It is deplorable to shield the kids from any of the aspects of life and knowledge as they grow up.

And that's a fact jack!

Learning the three R's just doesn't cut it anymore. To those that think we are dumbing down America, all I can say is, your so wrong. Our Grandkids are leaving us in the dust, and that's as it should be. :tiphat:
History 101: When a popular myth is believed to be factual, teach the myth.

Its not possible to underestimate the intelligence of the voting populous.

Hummm, after seeing the results of the 06 election, I may have to modify my perception of the voting populous and refer to them as "Late Bloomers".

:ohmy:
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