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| cmoehle | Feb 12 2006, 09:42 AM Post #31 |
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Agree, but how give an impersonal answer to a personal question? |
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| cmoehle | Feb 12 2006, 10:25 AM Post #32 |
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OK, I'll say this much. The site you linked to on NDE and hell is, to me, a classic example of circular reasoning. The site first defines hell in ways at best equivocating with life on earth ("We can even see many manifestations of hell right here in the physical realm."), at worst nearly unintelligible mumbo jumbo ("Both of these realms can be considered hell because they are the two darker levels."). It then seeks out appeals to authority ("It is your mind which creates hell. (Dr. Timothy Leary)") and people who have reported the same thing ("The farther down he went, the darker and hotter it became until he could see the fingers of flames playing on the dark walls of the pit."), the obvious conclusion being its pre-defined truth. I will avoid ad hominem against the "middle-aged, computer scientist, cable news junkie, manic depressive, universalist Christian with Gnostic and Tibetan Buddhist leanings, former Montana cowboy, U.S. Army veteran, social liberal, economic conservative, single Californian, internet addict, and last but not least, NDE evangelist" who wrote it up. I'll stick to my initial post: "Another case for Pascal. Thing is when you say "life after death" you don't really mean life, but because language and logic fail you, you say it that way anyhow." |
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| Stoney | Feb 12 2006, 10:48 AM Post #33 |
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The link was provided to a simple question. I make no claims, in fact carefully distance myself from any claims that they hold any evidence, certainly not proof, of an afterlife in heaven or hell, semantics aside. Many would agree that logic, language and reason fail us in these pursuits. There are personal experiences, many, maybe most, that can be explained by science. Some seem beyond our comprehension. We either dismiss them or wonder about them. |
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| cmoehle | Feb 12 2006, 10:57 AM Post #34 |
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Understood you were just providing a link, and appreciate that. There may be more beyond the limitations of language and logic, even beyond the limits of human comprehension. No argument there. But there does need to be, imo, some concern that the language and logic used to try and capture that becomes itself the reality. |
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| Stoney | Feb 12 2006, 11:39 AM Post #35 |
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Maybe a mystical reality? I don't know that I've ever heard or read what would be to me an attractive concept of an afterlife in other than a very superficial way. But I won't dismiss what I can't comprehend. And I don't know any other way of expressing it without the benefit of comprehension. But I'm still looking. I'm not sure this addresses your concern. My best attempt. |
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| silverfox | Feb 12 2006, 08:29 PM Post #36 |
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Who knows
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| roscoe | Feb 12 2006, 10:41 PM Post #37 |
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The shadow..knows |
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| PRT | Feb 12 2006, 11:12 PM Post #38 |
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What I believe, and this is my personal belief and not just an opinion, that when you die and have a personal/particular judgment with God - and you see first hand the wonder and perfection of the Lord - that if you were condemned to hell, hell would be the complete absence of God. Cannot/will not defend that or provide a link other than The Catholic Encyclopedia. As I said, it's my belief. Obviously beliefs are personal to individuals. |
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| Banandangees | Feb 13 2006, 08:56 AM Post #39 |
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AND.... even though (afterlife) is claimed "mystical" by some PRT, it remains a more hopeful, brighter promise for the future for the "faithful." But, if one rathers to be more factual than faithful and stand on their own strengths ..... well, that's okay too. To each his own. |
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| cmoehle | Feb 13 2006, 09:02 AM Post #40 |
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First the judgment: "AND.... even though (afterlife) is claimed "mystical" by some PRT, it remains a more hopeful, brighter promise for the future for the "faithful."" Then the denial "But, if one rathers to be more factual than faithful and stand on their own strengths ..... well, that's okay too. To each his own." You certainly have a right to your beliefs. I have no need to judge them. Also, if you are referring to my use of mystical, it was one of life's little mysteries I was speaking of, not the afterlife's. |
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| silverfox | Feb 13 2006, 09:08 AM Post #41 |
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Seems to me that one would live the 10 commandments in any event. Especially if there is a God
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| Banandangees | Feb 13 2006, 09:11 AM Post #42 |
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 amazing!or, I could have been saying that each has the freedom to choose on issues that can't be proved or disproved. I wasn't directing my thoughts at anyone in particular. Just a generalized comment. I was saying the same thing you did ... "You certainly have a right to your beliefs." |
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| cmoehle | Feb 13 2006, 09:15 AM Post #43 |
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...with judgment. Moral relativity. Or, silverfox, one could follow the Golden Rule which predates the 10 Commandments. Even if there ain't a God
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| Banandangees | Feb 13 2006, 09:28 AM Post #44 |
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??? so how and to what degree did I judge you or anyone? |
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| cmoehle | Feb 13 2006, 09:34 AM Post #45 |
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Already did: "First the judgment: "AND.... even though (afterlife) is claimed "mystical" by some PRT, it remains a more hopeful, brighter promise for the future for the "faithful.""" Is it so ingrained you don't notice? |
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