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Life After Death
Tweet Topic Started: Feb 10 2006, 05:02 PM (916 Views)
campingken	Feb 11 2006, 01:30 PM Post #16
Member Posts: 1,332 Group: Members Member #56 Joined: July 18, 2004	Perhaps we return to the void that we existed in for all those billions of years before we were born. Ken



Banandangees	Feb 11 2006, 01:35 PM Post #17
Member Posts: 1,938 Group: Members Member #76 Joined: July 26, 2004	But we can't say for sure that there was a void. We can only speculate as Photo correctly writes. We don't know what was on the alpha side anymore than the omega.
	Banan


campingken	Feb 11 2006, 01:40 PM Post #18
Member Posts: 1,332 Group: Members Member #56 Joined: July 18, 2004	I can only say that I don't remember anything so for me it was a black hole. What happens next is anyones guess. When I was a kid in Sunday School they sure made heaven sound like a MAJOR boring place. If there is a heaven I hope it allows dogs and horses..... Ken



brewster	Feb 11 2006, 02:11 PM Post #19
Winemaker Extraordinaire Posts: 3,467 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: June 21, 2004	One of the great investigators of the afterlife was Harry Houdini. He left a special message with his wife before he died, and said that if he existed, he would do everything he could to send that message back, in whatever medium, etc. he could. The message never came. It seems that if anyone's soul lives on, it soon forgets its roots...
	My Favourite Campsite Bow Valley Provincial Park, Kananaskis Country, Alberta


cruiser	Feb 11 2006, 02:14 PM Post #20
Member Posts: 950 Group: Members Member #141 Joined: January 2, 2005	It seems to me that our finite brains can not comprehend the infinity of death. So all through history of prehistoric man to this date, we try to make death not be final. Atheists do not have this problem. When it's over baby, it's over!
	Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction. Blaise Pascal (1623 - 1662)


cmoehle	Feb 11 2006, 02:20 PM Post #21
Chris - San Antonio TX Posts: 36,959 Group: Members Member #1 Joined: June 6, 2004	argumentum ad ignorantiam
	Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater


ngc1514	Feb 11 2006, 03:22 PM Post #22
Member Posts: 1,594 Group: Members Member #24 Joined: July 1, 2004	A couple of things. First off, imagine you are on the operating table under full, general anesthesia. You have no consciousness, no sense of the passage of time, no sense of self, no nuthin'. Surgeon makes a little "oops!" and you shuffle off this mortal coil. Do you imagine that your consciousness, lost in the drugs, is going to suddenly reappear? Our consciousness does not survive a few milligrams of Versed, how's it going to overcome complete neural system shutdown? Next - why do none of the near-death experiences have the gates of hell looming for the experiencer? Does this mean everyone's heading "into the light, my children" or might these experiences be neuro-physiological in basis? Seems that some of the NDE should have the glimpse of eternal damnation scaring the bejeezus out of the survivor. Finally, a question: has anyone studied NDE in other cultures? If so, is the experience itself universal? Does a Hindu experience the same perceptions as a westerner and, if so, does this offer any insight into the afterlife? I think it's all oxygen starvation of the brain and not something ethereal.
	Eric


Stoney	Feb 11 2006, 04:12 PM Post #23
Huntsville, AL Posts: 2,771 Group: Members Member #216 Joined: October 22, 2005	Eric, I think you're too quick to dismiss it all to oxygen depletion or the lack of carbon dioxide removal. I can't find one to reference, but I'm sure many of us have read about a mother's superhuman strength used in saving the life of a child. This page chronicles many NDE's. I won't suggest that any lead directly to evidence of an afterlife, but I suggest that our abilities in times of crisis often surpass our expectations. This page chronicles NDE and hell towards the bottom. There's a lot of strange occurances. Probably many, even most are just what you suggest. Some of it seems beyond our current ability to understand.
	The character inherent in the American people has done all that has been accomplished; and it would have done somewhat more, if the government had not sometimes got in its way. Henry David Thoreau


ngc1514	Feb 11 2006, 06:12 PM Post #24
Member Posts: 1,594 Group: Members Member #24 Joined: July 1, 2004	I've yet to hear a good rationalization that the NDE is not an echo or memory of something we've all already undergone - the birthing experience. A bright light at the end of a tunnel and surrounded by people who love us. I've known a few people who "died" (and there is always the argument that they were no "closer" to death than you and I are right now. One is either dead or alive and no one has come back from the dead. Almost dead is like being almost pregnant - you is or you isn't) and none reported any NDE. Oxygen starvation, hardwired neural connections in the brain or replay of the birthing experience... I still don't see it being anything more.
	Eric


cmoehle	Feb 11 2006, 06:27 PM Post #25
Chris - San Antonio TX Posts: 36,959 Group: Members Member #1 Joined: June 6, 2004	"...why do none of the near-death experiences have the gates of hell looming for the experiencer?" No question, just, profound--in as much as I've not considered it before.
	Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater


Stoney	Feb 11 2006, 07:04 PM Post #26
Huntsville, AL Posts: 2,771 Group: Members Member #216 Joined: October 22, 2005	Not all of the NDEs involve light or hardwire neural connections. Some include dreams, thought communications, changes in personality, ability to foresee the future, etc. Again, I wouldn't claim any evidence of anything more than our limited understanding. Chris, for NDE that have the gates of hell looming, see the link on my post above.
	The character inherent in the American people has done all that has been accomplished; and it would have done somewhat more, if the government had not sometimes got in its way. Henry David Thoreau


wolfgoddess	Feb 11 2006, 11:54 PM Post #27
Party Leader Posts: 4,708 Group: Members Member #107 Joined: October 19, 2004	cmoehle Feb 11 2006, 05:27 PM "...why do none of the near-death experiences have the gates of hell looming for the experiencer?" No question, just, profound--in as much as I've not considered it before. My Dad would sit there and beg me not to let them get him. He was afraid. He could not understand why I could not see them. He would describe them as dark and they wanted him. Sure, most will say it was near his time and he was unbalanced. I think he seen something and was afraid. When this would happen he would call for me and I could not leave his side till he felt safe. You tell me.. what did he see..so different then Mom.



cmoehle	Feb 12 2006, 07:48 AM Post #28
Chris - San Antonio TX Posts: 36,959 Group: Members Member #1 Joined: June 6, 2004	I don't think it's a fair question, Karen, too personal.
	Politics is the art of achieving the maximum amount of freedom for individuals that is consistent with the maintenance of social order. --Barry Goldwater


bikemanb	Feb 12 2006, 08:15 AM Post #29
Liberal Conservative Posts: 3,259 Group: Members Member #4 Joined: June 6, 2004	One way or another we will all find out. One thing for certain is that if God exists and is fair and just, many who thought they had the exclusive answer are in for a rather rude surprise.
	Bill, Rita and Chloe the Terror Cat For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise. Benjamin Franklin


Stoney	Feb 12 2006, 09:11 AM Post #30
Huntsville, AL Posts: 2,771 Group: Members Member #216 Joined: October 22, 2005	cmoehle Feb 12 2006, 08:48 AM I don't think it's a fair question, Karen, too personal. These types of events are personal. They are subject to scrutiny and ridicule. They are difficult. Karen accepted that in her portrayal. I think sharing that and the event she shared in another thread is generous.
	The character inherent in the American people has done all that has been accomplished; and it would have done somewhat more, if the government had not sometimes got in its way. Henry David Thoreau


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