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Budget?
Topic Started: Feb 8 2006, 12:36 PM (492 Views)
cmoehle
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Chris - San Antonio TX
Did Anyone Actually Read Bush's Budget?
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...Bush's 2007 budget is an extremely modest attempt to rein in what has been one of the most prolific spending sprees in modern American history. Under Bush, overall federal spending has climbed 20%. And that's after adjusting for inflation. (By comparison, spending climbed 12.7% in real terms during the Clinton years.)

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Bush's 2007 is about $500 billion above where federal spending would be if he simply maintained the spending trend set by Bill Clinton. (Clinton years in Blue, Bush years in Red. Total spending in $Trillions).

It would be nice to blame the war on terror, or the growth in entitlement programs, for this climb. But spending on things other than Defense and Homeland Security, such as Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid and Medicare, actually rose at a faster rate -- 23%.

Here's another way to took at it. If Bush wanted to get spending back on the growth trajectory set by Clinton, he would need to cut more than $500 billion out of his budget this year alone. (See chart.) Even leaving out everything but non-Defense domestic discretionary spending, Bush's domestic discretionary spending for 2007 is above the Clinton trajectory by $78 billion dollars.

So, realistically, anything short of spending cuts of these magnitudes really doesn't count as a budget cut at all.


And you know, with elections coming up, Congress will only increase it.

Government run amuck. And it's nonlinear.
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brewster
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I saw an unintentional comparison in the paper today Chris:

Two articles side by side, one on the overall Canadian Debt, and one on the US deficit for this year...

They were just about equal...

The Conservatives will be bringing down their first budget in about a month... It is expected it will list a several billon surplus to be used to pay off the National Debt a bit more...
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Was it Clinton's lack of spending, or did Congress hold it back?
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Figures do not include expenses for Iraq or the war on terror...

It is a huge spending increase...
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Bruce, stop rubbing it in our faces--much as we deserve it.

Lloyd, in both cases it's been largely Congressional dogs wagging a Presidential tail.

Buddy, that should make you happy, all you ever talk about is government doing this, government doing that. Explain, why are you displeased--because it's Republicans overspending instead of Democrats?
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Sorry, Chris, won't mention it again - just fascinated by the correspondence of numbers.
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No, it's is interesting, for all that's said, you're heading in the right direction, we're headed in the left.
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Chris says:

why are you displeased

Buddy says:


Actually I am still a centrist..

But Democrats raise taxes for spending during war time.. This tax increase stimulates the economy. (happened in 1968 and during the 1990’s), and eliminates debt…

Republicans raise war and lower taxes for the wealthy.. This stimulates the mortuary business and increases the Federal deficits to record highs.. (happened during the 1980’s and presently it is going like gang busters to heck.) The Republicans point to a increase in revenue.. But fail to recognize the increase lags behind inflation…
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Buddy if you're a Centrist, Bush is a Model of Fiscal Responsibility! :floorrollin:
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cmoehle
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If you're in the center, Buddy, what's to the left?
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I think even our Jack Layton (*Socialist Leader) would have trouble staying left of Buddy....
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Stoney
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Don't get annoyed by those picking on you Buddy. Give me some time and I'll come up with someone that would put you towards the center. :scratch: :noproblem:
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Just how old are you Stoney? :worry:

Not prying, just wondered if you can afford to spend that kind of time.... :pound:
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Stoney
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I just did a search on google for "left" and got 1,880,000,000 results. Surely someone there is to the left of Buddy.

Don't worry Buddy, I'm still looking.
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