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| Tweet Topic Started: 13 Oct 2009, 11:40 AM (689 Views) | |
| KamikazeCow | 13 Oct 2009, 11:40 AM Post #1 |
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it lights the dark of this prison cell it thunders forth its might it is the undauntable thought my friend that thought that says im right http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleea...51115553.htmlas |
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| Benthamus | 13 Oct 2009, 06:16 PM Post #2 |
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People refuse conscription all the time. It's only news cause it's Israel. Maybe if they lived through the 1948, 1967 or 1973 wars their thoughts on the issue would be quite different. |
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| Raoul LeGrand | 13 Oct 2009, 06:37 PM Post #3 |
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Anyway, I still say good for them. |
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| Wraith | 13 Oct 2009, 06:44 PM Post #4 |
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Yeah, if the whole generation of students say that, then they'll be singing a different tune when the Arabs come rolling in. Probably with a harp and a soprano voice. Not surprising of an article considering it's from Al-Jazeera. |
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| Ryan | 13 Oct 2009, 07:28 PM Post #5 |
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Good for them. We actually had two Israeli girls who fought conscription and went to jail over it come and speak at our campus. I was sad I missed them.
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George Mason University '15 Ph.D Economics Sporder.net - Complex Problems, Emergent Solutions COUNTRIES: 2012: The Q'ylerian Freehold Version 5: The Most Serene Republic of Crælia Version 4.2: The Ellic Kingdom/Ellic (Etremian) Empire Version 4: The Ellic Tribes/Kingdom/Republic Version 3: The United States of Rezelia; The only use of nuclear weapons in CCRPG; The only use of nerve gas | |
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| Benthamus | 13 Oct 2009, 07:30 PM Post #6 |
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They were probably ugly or fat or dole bludging, soap avoiding, pot smoking hippy vegetarian kook. All the hot Israeli chicks sign up, the internet says so.
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| Alkeni Synair | 14 Oct 2009, 07:18 AM Post #7 |
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Redefining Evil
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................so....peace is undesireable? |
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| KamikazeCow | 14 Oct 2009, 08:02 AM Post #8 |
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Something wrong with that? |
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| Ryan | 14 Oct 2009, 10:38 AM Post #9 |
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They were hot! ![]() And yeah Wraith, I second Reian and Cow's objections... |
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George Mason University '15 Ph.D Economics Sporder.net - Complex Problems, Emergent Solutions COUNTRIES: 2012: The Q'ylerian Freehold Version 5: The Most Serene Republic of Crælia Version 4.2: The Ellic Kingdom/Ellic (Etremian) Empire Version 4: The Ellic Tribes/Kingdom/Republic Version 3: The United States of Rezelia; The only use of nuclear weapons in CCRPG; The only use of nerve gas | |
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| KamikazeCow | 14 Oct 2009, 01:38 PM Post #10 |
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Well, yeah. And it's good news. |
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| Wraith | 14 Oct 2009, 03:41 PM Post #11 |
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Peace is impossible, and liberals can't get their heads out of their clouds and back down to earth to understand that. Obama can run around making heartwarming speeches about nuclear disarmament and world peace that somehow warrant a Nobel Prize. Students can decide they're too good for their rather free country country and blow off the law. A few hippies can decide that they would rather destroy their health through drugs and silly songs in protest against the injustices of war. But NONE of this ever, or will ever, change the nature of a human being. Whenever any person, nation, or race turns the other cheek or extends the hand of friendship, a few people may kiss it or shake it, but someone will slap it or cut it off. I cannot understand how people can advocate world peace and disarmament, leaving themselves defenseless, when we have human beings in this world. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. North Korea. Al-Qaeda. Hezbollah and Hamas, to put it closer to Israel. The Nazis and Neo-Nazis, to hit Cow's nerve. It is hypocritical to deny the necessity of armies, weapons, and war. With it, millions die. Without it, billions die. Your choice. |
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| Lundymaphone | 14 Oct 2009, 04:14 PM Post #12 |
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Well I would have to agree with Wraith on the basic concept that peace is unlikely (peace as in lack of organized violence). I would however argue that peace (as in inter-state war) is not impossible, although given the current state of affairs it is for all intents and purposes impossible. Wraith made a good point in that you can open the hand of friendship and work towards a goal of peace and cooperation, some will genuinely accept it, most will accept it because of the principal, but so long as one person rejects your cause disarmament simply means that you chose short-term peace over survival. The "bad guys" (ie those you disagree with and have little or no common ground) simply have no interest in long-term peace. Citizen revolts and citizen armies can stop a force from occupying your land, but they don't stop bombs from dropping or missiles from taking out important targets. The most effective way to go about it is to slowly reduce certain arms, land-mines, chemical weapons, and even nuclear weapons have been successfully reduced in warfare (at least in the western world). And before anyone says anything, take a look at nuclear weapon stockpiles over the last 30 years and tell me there has not been progress in that regard. Peace is a noble goal, but unilateral peace simply will result in destruction., or worse. |
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| Ryan | 14 Oct 2009, 04:15 PM Post #13 |
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Without the State, tens die.
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George Mason University '15 Ph.D Economics Sporder.net - Complex Problems, Emergent Solutions COUNTRIES: 2012: The Q'ylerian Freehold Version 5: The Most Serene Republic of Crælia Version 4.2: The Ellic Kingdom/Ellic (Etremian) Empire Version 4: The Ellic Tribes/Kingdom/Republic Version 3: The United States of Rezelia; The only use of nuclear weapons in CCRPG; The only use of nerve gas | |
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| Lundymaphone | 14 Oct 2009, 04:27 PM Post #14 |
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Besides the obvious falsehood of that statement based on human nature what does that have to do with the conversation? Exploring the nature and purpose of standing armies is directly related to the issue (Israeli teens refusing to do army duty) but that statement is open-ended and serves no purpose, nor is it connected to the conversation. |
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in pace, ut sapiens, aptarit idonea bello In peace, like a wise man, he appropriately prepares for war | |
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| Alkeni Synair | 14 Oct 2009, 05:17 PM Post #15 |
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I'm going to Ignore wraiths comment, mainly because he clearly....isn't approachable about this.... @Ryan: um...do you have to turn EVERY conversation into state-elimiationism? |
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