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Sacrificed Shang soldier with ge
Topic Started: Dec 27 2008, 11:57 PM (885 Views)
marquardt lund
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Found while googling "dagger axe":

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(The "in-situ dream")
http://picasaweb.google.com/leefoxx1949/An...872022424561042
http://picasaweb.google.com/leefoxx1949/An...872005244691842

Marquardt
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Brock H
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Ah, marvelous! Thanks for sharing.
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LuciŽn Olinga
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Hmmm.. that skull almost looks fake.. such a smooth and strange form it has.. is that dagger bronze? could be jade or something also..

Thanks for sharing!

Greetz,

LuciŽn..
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Steven C.
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I think theres a chance thats a museum exhibit, and that the skull is fake/newly manufactured and added to the original skeleton so visitors can see it's a human more clearly. If I remember correctly, Shang era sacrifices were beheaded with an axe. So he would've been beheaded before being interred.

The ge blade, has to be bronze though. I don't think the Shang would have bothered with jade, the Shang lived contemporary with New Kingdom Egypt, it'd be like New Kingdom Egyptians fashioning axes out of flint.
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Kenneth Blair
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Hi All,
China history forum was hacked, and the admin rights stolen by a fraudster.
The ownership was transfered by the fraudster, who then locked out all the admin..asked for a ransom and then put the domain name up for sale.
5 years of threads & posts lost. I hope security in here is not open to key logging software.
Gregory...take note!

I am here because we are setting up a new forum with luck, so I was getting some ideas.

OK, some comments on this thread.
The skeleton is from a site that Gary Todd visited, I don't recall the location but it will be identified by the appropriate folder on his website.
Gary confirmed at the time what I suspected too. The skeleton was a mock-up.
The public there viewed a reproduction, rather than the original pit.
No wooden shaft would survive like that from the perid and the general look is pretty 'off'.
The dagger-axe looks like it 'might' be meant to be jade. The colour is not right for an ancient bronze, but it might be a nephrite in a slight fantasy style. Jade ge were not made into objects quite like that. The tang (nei) is not of a form that was made from jade.
Shang jade ge were made with notched edges, but no such fine detail in a panel.
Either jade ge were made in one piece, or were a jade blade with bronze cast tang. Such Shang ge copied the form of jade & stone ge of the Neolithic period.
Jade ge were not used for combat. They were sometimes deliberately broken and buried. As a symbol of rank or ceremony the ge may be the origin of jade tablets used by ranking men as symbols of authority into later period. Such tablets, loosely axe-like or ge blade-like in form were called gui, and used up into historical times for court ritual.
Yes, the Shang used jade for dagger-axes (ko/ge) but they did not use them in war.
Shang bronze ge were quite robust and practical, and these did the dirty work of killing.
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Jeroen Zuiderwijk
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Kenneth Blair,Mar 17 2009
07:40 AM
Hi All,
China history forum was hacked, and the admin rights stolen by a fraudster.
The ownership was transfered by the fraudster, who then locked out all the admin..asked for a ransom and then put the domain name up for sale.
5 years of threads & posts lost.

What a nerve! This site is hosted by Invisionfree. So we're basically only users of their service, and have no insight in how they protect it.
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LuciŽn Olinga
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Wow! let's hope no #@$%-fraudster will get ideas to do the same here.. I guess he'll never be save.. us having all of those bronze weapons and all ;)

Greetings,
LuciŽn..
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