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Persian scale armour/armor
Topic Started: Jul 4 2007, 01:55 AM (12,150 Views)
Sean Manning
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And another three 48" strips turned into scales. That makes almost 200 waiting to be oiled ...
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Luciën Olinga
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Making an essembly line aren't you?
Might I add that some guy named 'Henry Ford' only invented that in the early 20th century A.D.?
So.. that's not very 'bronze age-like' eh? :P :P :P
Just kiddin' ..
I can't wait to see the final piece!

Greetings Luciën.. :D
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Luciën Olinga,May 5 2008
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Making an essembly line aren't you?
Might I add that some guy named 'Henry Ford' only invented that in the early 20th century A.D.?
So.. that's not very 'bronze age-like' eh? :P :P :P
Just kiddin' ..
I can't wait to see the final piece!

Greetings Luciën.. :D

Thanks! At 768 scales to cover one square foot after overlap, and 5-6 sf needed for a complete armour, I think I'd better get cracking. Now off to make more scales ...
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Todd Feinman
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Yeah!! Go Sean! I am excited to hear you are making progress :)

Todd
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Luciën Olinga
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GO GO GO GO!!! :D
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Sean Manning
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Four more 48" strips done, or 27 in all. I'll start oiling them in a few days.
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Go Sean, Go.
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Sean Manning
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Thanks Dan! I just finished oiling the bucket-o-scales, and did four more batches last week. That makes 31 batches of 16 so far, all complete and oiled.
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Sean Manning
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Eight more batches of 32 scales done this week, except for filing rough corners and oiling them. I seem to be spending about 2-3 minutes a scale to do everything, and I'll need about 4500 scales for a hip-length armour. I have 39 48" strips converted to scales so far.

Work may slow down a bit, since I'm running out of strips and can only get out to buy more on the weekend. Also, it looks like I will be learning the basics of Italian longsword fencing next weekend, so I'll be busy then ;)
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Luciën Olinga
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I can almost smell your precious endresult.. :P
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Michael Eversberg II
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Smells like metal and oil to me.

And coffee.

M.
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Luciën Olinga
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In the museum (Assen, Holland) where there is the exhibition about the old Qin, there were some fine examples of techniques to attach scales into armor.. the photo's are a little dark due to the lack of the flash, but you can see it rather good..
The scales in this case are stone by the way.. ;)

Greetings,

Luciën..
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Michael Eversberg II
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Stone scale? Good God what kind of stone is it? Must be damn hefty...

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Luciën Olinga
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Looks like soapstone to me..
But as 'they' say about all strange pieces of armor.. it would probably only be worn for 'ceremonial' purposes.. <_<

Greetz,

Luciën..
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Michael Eversberg II
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Hm...soapstone isn't that heavy. Still, very strange. I ponder the cost, as it looks fairly awesome to me. Perhaps I should add that into my DnD world for the chalcolithic guys.

M.
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Yeah they were constructed for funerary purposes. The best ones were made from jade. Jade promises eternal life so it would be appropriate to dress someone in jade before burial. Not sure why mundane stone was used though.
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Dan Howard,May 26 2008
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Yeah they were constructed for funerary purposes. The best ones were made from jade. Jade promises eternal life so it would be appropriate to dress someone in jade before burial. Not sure why mundane stone was used though.

Maybe it's a "We don't like you." thing :P

Or, like Scrooge -- Marley paid to have a great funeral, and got buried at sea :/

M.
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Not much progress this week, due to rain and the weekend longsword fencing seminar. I'm almost done sanding the corners of the last few batches of scales and oiling them. I corrected my math, and I only need 80 four-foot strips of scales! So I'm half way there, and just might get all the scales cut this summer.

I'm still musing about the cut of the armour. Reuben of RAT has pointed me towards some pictures of cavalry in knee-length sleeveless armours with high napes. I had an inspiration and checked Assyrian art for pictures of Elamites in armour (since Elamite culture had considerable influence on Persia), but no luck. Right now I'm leaning towards a simple tied-at-the-side cut like Matthew's, but shorter and with a raised guard for the back of the neck. By the 1st century BCE, some of the neck guards were high and stiff enough to attach a two-tongued banner there! I just have to figure out how to design it to stay up ...

Jozef Winter says hello. He's busy this summer with some things including writing for a new blog at http://ecolectic.org/.
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42 1/2 strips complete! 39 of them are oiled. The new metal I bought is 24 gague (0.024") which should make the armour a little bit lighter. It was going to be a bit heavy at all 22 gague scales. I think I'll need about 70 strips to complete the armour; at around 60 strips I'll assemble the backing and start stitching. I'm also looking into the clothing to go with the armour. Trivia fact of the week: many Persian shoes had tongues!
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Yeah Sean!! glad you are making such progress with your armour.
Looking forward to hearing more as time goes on!

Todd
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