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Topic Started: Mar 24 2010, 11:23 AM (1,352 Views)
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I would laugh and laugh and laugh if he actually ended up at Box Hill in a few years. :P
Edited by Dtm, Mar 30 2010, 10:15 AM.
New Zealand Consulate. Murray Hewitt speaking.
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Mar 30 2010, 09:25 AM
Birchall has shown he can play consistently, Danger hasnt... show if anything, it is the other way around. Thats not to say PD wont be very good, but your logic of why he will be 100+ and then saying Birchall wont, reasoning is questionable... that was the point I was making.

Go back and look at Goddards first 4 years, and compare to Birchalls first 4 years.

And for the final time, I'm not discounting people opinions, im discounting the stupid logic people are throwing up for their reasoning. The only's person's opinion I've discounted is shabby who said he'll be axed in 3 years time playing for box hill.

And how on earth is Birchall not considered an accumulator - please define accumulator so we're on the same page? IE - to me, someone who can 'accumulate' possessions.

Av possessions yr by yr -

BIRCHALL

2006 - 19.2,
2007 - 21.1,
2008 - 21.9,
2009 - 21.4,
and then 27 to open 2010.

For a guy whose just turned 22, thats suggests he can find the football.

Goddard's first 5 years
2003 - 13.3
2004 - 12.6
2005 - 14.9
2006 - 21.7
2007 - 18.6

Hodge's first 5 years
2002 - 15.5
2003 - 12.9
2004 - 15.7
2005 - 27.7
2006 - 23.3


The trend is, players break out from their 4th, 5th year onwards. Considering Birchall isntant adjustment to AFL football, to say he cant improve much is rediculous. To say he's not an accumulator is rediculous. And to question how / if he's going to improve is equally rediculous.
And suddenly the secret formula is worked out!!! If you're 22 or under, and can consistently get average-good scores, you're destined to become elite!

Right ...?

Dangerfield managed to break into a very strong AFL team, whilst still studying year 12 in Geelong. How many players have done that? I'd say that's really showing something, especially on the back of no pre-season which is massive to players these days, especially young players.

An accumulator to me gets more than 20 odd touches a game. It'd be someone that is consistently in the top couple of players for disposals, not someone who's consistently around the middle.

Goddard
2006 - 21.7 possessions per game = 106.6 points per game
2007 - 18.6 possessions per game = 90.1 points per game

Hodge
2005 - 27.7 possessions per game = 135.3 points per game
2006 - 23.3 possessions per game = 103.5 points per game

Birchall
2008 - 21.9 possessions per game = 84.7 points per game
2009 - 21.4 possessions per game = 81.2 points per game

In 2006 Goddard averaged a similar amount of possessions to what Birchall has for the past two seasons, yet he averaged 22 SC points more.
In 2007 Goddard averaged 3 less touches per game yet still managed to outscore Birchall.

To become a massive point scorer, players either need to have the game style that is suited to SC or they need be able to find ridiculous amounts of the pill.

To me, Birchall simply doesn't have the game style to become a massive point scorer and nor does he get enough of the ball to become elite.
Edited by Lliam, Mar 30 2010, 12:34 PM.
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Game style? His game style is the perfect one to earn SC points.
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All of you talking up Birchall are welcome to offer up for him.

Really, a 90 average all year and I'd be very happy.
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Mar 30 2010, 01:57 PM
All of you talking up Birchall are welcome to offer up for him.

Really, a 90 average all year and I'd be very happy.
I'm interested. :)
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Mar 30 2010, 12:33 PM


An accumulator to me gets more than 20 odd touches a game. It'd be someone that is consistently in the top couple of players for disposals, not someone who's consistently around the middle.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight... so even though he's averaged over 20 disposals over the span of his career - which by your definition is an accumulator - your persisting with the argument that he isnt an accumulator? nice contradiction.

And nah, no secret formula my friend... again your creating words I didn't say. Look over the league and the trend with AFL players is they break out after 3-5 seasons in the system.

Was merely pointing when Goddard and Hodge did it, and illustrated quite clearly that Birchall has a better foundation/start to his career than either of those boys as he enters his break-out prime.
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Not everyone follows the trend Stoney.....there are literally dozens of guys that break out early but never go onto becoming superstars or 'elite', because they were just simply AFL ready, and peaked early because of that. As far as I can see, Birchall hasn't got any more physical development left, and you can't tell me that someone in his 5th year has a lot of 'mental' improvement left either. 5 years is a long, long, time...I'd say he has probably learnt most of what he needs to know about AFL football.
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Mar 30 2010, 02:57 PM
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Mar 30 2010, 12:33 PM


An accumulator to me gets more than 20 odd touches a game. It'd be someone that is consistently in the top couple of players for disposals, not someone who's consistently around the middle.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight... so even though he's averaged over 20 disposals over the span of his career - which by your definition is an accumulator - your persisting with the argument that he isnt an accumulator? nice contradiction.

And nah, no secret formula my friend... again your creating words I didn't say. Look over the league and the trend with AFL players is they break out after 3-5 seasons in the system.

Was merely pointing when Goddard and Hodge did it, and illustrated quite clearly that Birchall has a better foundation/start to his career than either of those boys as he enters his break-out prime.
I like how you highlighted one part of my post and picked on that. Did you read the rest of it?

Birchall averages 20 odd disposals per game. 21.somethingarather.

He is not someone who's in the top couple of players for disposals, as I said before. That's something that you can't argue with, it's a fact.
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