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| Topic Started: Feb 22 2010, 12:01 AM (1,091 Views) | |
| Deledio2Conca | Feb 22 2010, 10:22 AM Post #21 |
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That's cool man and I see where you re coming from on each. Walker I believe would have averaged 85 for a few seasons had injury not stepped in.....as getting injured during a game obviously gives him a lower score and effects his average....That's all in the past now though and I realise I can't keep saying if this and if that. He has shown that when when fit he can score in the high 80's-100's though and that's what I'm banking on. Joseph I never expect will be a 100+ scorer or anything...but an average of 85-90 or so at his peak while being incredibly durable is what I think he can eventually achieve. To be honest Rockliff has been on my radar all off-season, and TBNB can vouch for that...so I certainly didn't base the recruitment of him on one game alone. Stratton I'll most likely use to bring in a big player if possible if I get interest for him. After going over my list in the off-season it was apparent that I wasn't going to be able to challenge this year. I had an aging list with not much trade value....so there was no chance of 'trading up' as such. So I thought a mini rebuid might be the way to go....obviously I didn't want to go through an entire rebuild as it wasn't needed, but by trading some of those late 20's guys I've been able to get in youth such as Tom McNamara, Aaron Joseph, Dawson Simpson, Jordan Lisle, Jarrhan Jacky and Tom Rockliff to add to youth that already consisted of Christian Howard, Todd Goldstein, Troy Taylor and Liam Jurrah. I know they're not the high profile youngsters some teams have but I was never going to get those big names. I've still got a few trades in mind before the season kicks off also. |
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| Lliam | Feb 22 2010, 10:29 AM Post #22 |
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Well the scores from 2008 were when he wasn't hampered by injury and was able to string some games together. And the score from 2009 was when he was on the comeback trail, but showed that he still has the ability to be a high scorer. If people can't continue a discussion or debate without resorting to personal attacks then that says a lot about them. I haven't attacked you once. I have brought up some very valid points regarding your team, I've also spoken about your trading but no attacks on you. Average ages aren't the be all and end all, but I can see your team really bottoming out if you don't pay more attention to them. |
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| Cleishy | Feb 22 2010, 10:37 AM Post #23 |
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I'm not fussed if my team eventually bottoms out. Half the teams have been bottoming out for 3 years. You are not blatantly attacking, its dismissing peoples opinions and the way you portray you are the most knowledgeable person here. Valid points or not, there was no need for them to be brought up, the only reason you did was to try to discredit my opinion. |
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| Lliam | Feb 22 2010, 10:42 AM Post #24 |
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I didn't mean to discredit your opinion, just to disagree with it. I never intended to portray that I'm the most knowledgeable person, but I do back the knowledge that I have. Maybe the points I made didn't need to be brought up, but I used your team as part of an example I was making, one that I feel is valid. I think everything I've said is true, but again, that's my opinion. I do have a problem with you saying I've personally attacked you though, when there is clearly nothing to back that up. But you've back tracked from that now anyway. |
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| Cleishy | Feb 22 2010, 11:02 AM Post #25 |
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All the players he gave up will score well this year. That's not up for debate. But their value is going massively down hill. And so that his team doesn't get to a point (like yours) where it's all older players that have little value and no one wants to trade for them. Joseph has all the tools to become a very good player. Bit harsh to predict the rest of his career after just one season. Have you ever looked at Andrew Walkers scores? To call him average is just plain stupidity and really shows your lack of knowledge when it comes to non-Richmond players. Rockliff has proven that he can play, and that he can score well. You clearly know very little about him, ditto Stratton. And it's not all about the season coming up, little bit of forward planning never goes astray, but judging by your list you don't know about that. This is what I am talking about, no-one knows much about anyone here, so I feel this is a personal attack. Being called a dick or wanker doesn't bother me as you don't know me. |
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| Lliam | Feb 22 2010, 12:44 PM Post #26 |
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Matthew Richardson
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So because I think that your knowledge of non-Richmond players is lacking, and that your trading strategy has been poor - that qualifies as a personal attack? |
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| Cleishy | Feb 22 2010, 12:55 PM Post #27 |
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I'm saying you annoy the shit out of me. I also think the way you trade is poor as others have mentioned. |
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| Lliam | Feb 22 2010, 01:01 PM Post #28 |
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Really need that picture Stife posted the other day here. If I annoy you, then we can either talk about it in private to try and work something out, or just let it be. Up to you. My trading methods of the past month or two have been poor, I'm happy to admit that and I'm attempting to rectify it as we speak. But apart from that short space of time I think my methods have been proven and have been successful. 125 trades in total during my time as coach, proof right there. |
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| Colby | Feb 22 2010, 04:43 PM Post #29 |
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Tom Jonas Appreciation Society
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Must say it's a bit hypocritical of you to ask him to only deal with his personal problems with you in private mate. |
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| Lliam | Feb 22 2010, 05:00 PM Post #30 |
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I have no problem with him, and I'd prefer not to clog up this thread any more than we already have. Not too sure how that's hypocritical. |
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| Colby | Feb 22 2010, 05:06 PM Post #31 |
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Well back when we had our issues (which i at least think have been cleared up now...thankfully) you refused to deal with our issues in private which i think just compounded our issues. Instead you wanted to deal with them out on the boards, which imo was poor form. |
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| Lliam | Feb 22 2010, 05:17 PM Post #32 |
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That's because you were attacking me in public, then wanted to try and handle it private which ended up with you attacking me there. |
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| Colby | Feb 22 2010, 05:23 PM Post #33 |
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and i would argue the same, but i'm happy to let it go. Edited by Colby, Feb 22 2010, 05:23 PM.
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| Dtm | Feb 22 2010, 05:31 PM Post #34 |
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I'm not singling anyone out here but would it be possible tostop with all the 'so and so got raped here' and then no reason why? Idon't care if you think someone got screwed and I think it'd good if you comment on trades but back it up with something! Imo everyone is open to criticism. Some of the criticism in this thread isnt strictly to do with this trade but i think its ok ss long as it doesnt get abusive. Basically what im saying is if you have s good go at someone expect something back. As for all this other talk about rll, ive had no problems trading with him before.You have to be on the ball with him but thats to his credit. I think quite a few on here who are a lot worse when it comes to the tradetable for various reasons And can i just say how nice its been to have stoney give me some trade offers that actually have some merrit to them and actual offers as well, not 'im interested in ... give me an offer.' |
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| Dtm | Feb 22 2010, 05:34 PM Post #35 |
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im sorry for the horrible grammar in that but this phone is awful. |
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| Lliam | Feb 22 2010, 05:52 PM Post #36 |
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I'm happy to have any discussion in public that relates to this game, but Cleishy said that I annoy him so that's a personal thing hence why I wanted to do it in private. |
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| Stife | Feb 22 2010, 06:31 PM Post #37 |
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| Stife | Feb 22 2010, 06:32 PM Post #38 |
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Regarding RLL - you've done 126 trades in what - 3 years? I've gone 85 in 11 months. You're stubborn, and make everyone else do the legwork, and when you're asked to do something, you pull out. My opinion. |
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| Lliam | Feb 22 2010, 06:44 PM Post #39 |
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Two and a half years. I've also been the top team for half that time, and if you get there :P, you'll find it considerably harder to trade once on top. There just isn't a real need for it anymore. I'd say that my laziness regarding trades has only been in the past few months, wouldn't you agree? |
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| Deledio2Conca | Feb 22 2010, 06:54 PM Post #40 |
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Cheers DTM. I agree. A simple one or two line explanation would be plenty, but a "You got raped" is a little pointless IMO. |
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