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Topic Started: Nov 29 2009, 09:44 PM (1,403 Views)
Lliam
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So instead you'd rather set a precedent where no matter the circumstances, there is no room for leniency? That's bullshit.
God forbid anyone had a family emergency then! Need to remember people do have lives outside of this game ya know.
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Jarman Magic
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Beau Dowler
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The question that needs to be asked is what penalty will be applied now and in the future.

a) loss of the first pick
b) 1 round (16 pick or 17/18 in the future if we introduce new teams for GC and WS) demotion of 1st pick (or first 2 picks)
c) 10 pick demotion of 1st pick (or first 2 picks)

It should not take into account RLL's current picks and should be fairly and consistently applied in the future
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Dec 2 2009, 03:59 PM
So instead you'd rather set a precedent where no matter the circumstances, there is no room for leniency? That's bullshit.
God forbid anyone had a family emergency then! Need to remember people do have lives outside of this game ya know.
You could have delisted players any time before the deadline.

I actually wanted the delisting and draft dates to be later as discussed in the admin section but you set the dates.

I didn't have a family emergency but what if I did? Would we cancel all picks after pick 8 and let me take my pick 8?

Or would you still be saying I should have submitted a preference list?
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Armoooo
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Take a deep breath guys :P

I think that it has been discussed enough, the only fair thing to do IMO is a poll and we all live and die by the results of the poll...

The admins can then get their heads together and see if the rules need to be changed in the future...

The options could be -
All picks forfeited
All picks pushed back 10
First pick forfeited
No Punishment
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Snappy
Dec 2 2009, 03:51 PM
All of the other 15 coaches managed to get the delistings in on time.

You had ample time to make delistings, but I guess you took a risk and decided to leave your delistings right until the end. And sometimes risks backfire, as it has on this occasion.

We can't be lenient here, because it sets a precedent for leniency
That's a good way of putting it snappy and was a way I hadn't quite considered before. You take a risk leaving your delistings to the last minute and the risk is something unavoidable happening.

Rll I get the feeling that most here want to see some sort of punishment
New Zealand Consulate. Murray Hewitt speaking.
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Jarman Magic
Dec 2 2009, 04:08 PM
You could have delisted players any time before the deadline.

I actually wanted the delisting and draft dates to be later as discussed in the admin section but you set the dates.

I didn't have a family emergency but what if I did? Would we cancel all picks after pick 8 and let me take my pick 8?

Or would you still be saying I should have submitted a preference list?
I don't know how many times I have to say it but ...
Some delisiting candidates were part of trade talks up until the deadline.
Therefore I was holding off until up until the draft in order to maximize potential for trading.

The only reason that nothing would have happened regards to your draft pick, is that nothing was possible to happen. We had no choice. We do have a choice here.

I'm willing to forfeit my first pick which I think is a fair enough.
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Armoooo
Dec 2 2009, 04:14 PM
Take a deep breath guys :P

I think that it has been discussed enough, the only fair thing to do IMO is a poll and we all live and die by the results of the poll...

The admins can then get their heads together and see if the rules need to be changed in the future...

The options could be -
All picks forfeited
All picks pushed back 10
First pick forfeited
No Punishment
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Shabby
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I will accept the decision of JM & DTM based on what they think is right with the information & opinions at hand, and trust they will make a good decision. RLL is not an impartial party in this case and the other admin shouldn't be at all swayed by what RLL happens to think is "fair enough" or by what is a blatent attempt to try and get as less a penalty as possible (which I don't have a problem with him doing but is true none the less).
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rocklovelive
Dec 2 2009, 06:23 PM
Jarman Magic
Dec 2 2009, 04:08 PM
You could have delisted players any time before the deadline.

I actually wanted the delisting and draft dates to be later as discussed in the admin section but you set the dates.

I didn't have a family emergency but what if I did? Would we cancel all picks after pick 8 and let me take my pick 8?

Or would you still be saying I should have submitted a preference list?
I don't know how many times I have to say it but ...
Some delisiting candidates were part of trade talks up until the deadline.
Therefore I was holding off until up until the draft in order to maximize potential for trading.

The only reason that nothing would have happened regards to your draft pick, is that nothing was possible to happen. We had no choice. We do have a choice here.

I'm willing to forfeit my first pick which I think is a fair enough.
I don't know how many times I have to say it but ...
You had months to delist players but you chose to leave it until the last minute.


I'm happy with the forfeit of the first pick if that's going to be the punishment for the future.

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See, then RLL would forfeit 35. If it were me, I'd have to forfeit pick 1, which is a fair difference (also considering what I gave up). Inconsistent punishment.
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and even then, a one round penalty on pick 1 is different to 35, still not consistent. Best punishment iMO is a points penalty for the next season, say..... 6
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I reckon fair punishment would be that he doesn't get to delist, and he goes from there
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Snappy
Dec 2 2009, 07:24 PM
I reckon fair punishment would be that he doesn't get to delist, and he goes from there
That wouldn't be much penalty for someone who doesn't actually want to delist their players though especially if you've traded your early picks away for depth. I've been in that situation before and it would have been nice to have a rule like that :)

Edited by Jarman Magic, Dec 2 2009, 07:34 PM.
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Stife
Dec 2 2009, 07:05 PM
See, then RLL would forfeit 35. If it were me, I'd have to forfeit pick 1, which is a fair difference (also considering what I gave up). Inconsistent punishment.
It's the same as having a pick skipped though.
I had pick 8 skipped the other day but if it'd been next week that I'd missed my pick it would have been a very low pick so I wouldn't have lost as much.

Unfortunately sometimes a consistent penalty will give a different result depending on the position in the draft.
All we can do is make the penalty numbers consistent.

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If you are going make a new rule, be sure to consider timing. 1 day late. 3 days. 1 week. Punishment should grow with more time.
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Shabby
Dec 2 2009, 06:58 PM
I will accept the decision of JM & DTM based on what they think is right with the information & opinions at hand, and trust they will make a good decision. RLL is not an impartial party in this case and the other admin shouldn't be at all swayed by what RLL happens to think is "fair enough" or by what is a blatent attempt to try and get as less a penalty as possible (which I don't have a problem with him doing but is true none the less).
I agree that I'm not an impartial party, but I'm definitely not trying to get the least penalty possible.
I want something that is fair, and something that I'd agree with if it was for any other member.
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My problem with losing your first pick rll is that in my opinion it isn't fair at all.

As some have said here losing your first pick is not equal to say Stife losing his first pick. Also your second pick is immediately after your first meaning that effectively you are giving up your second pick, not your first as you will still take the first player you wanted.

Now I understand that you have had a family issue and whilst not wanting to go into that can I just say I hope everything is ok. Most on here however, yourself included, seem to think that some sort of punishment is in order as you did have ages to get your list in order and missed a deadline that you announced.

That's why I'm suggesting that your first 2 picks be moved back one round (16 places). That takes out your first choice player whilst still giving you the opportunity to draft the amount of youngsters you wanted to.

Thoughts? This has to be resolved asap.
New Zealand Consulate. Murray Hewitt speaking.
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Dec 3 2009, 11:52 AM
My problem with losing your first pick rll is that in my opinion it isn't fair at all.

As some have said here losing your first pick is not equal to say Stife losing his first pick. Also your second pick is immediately after your first meaning that effectively you are giving up your second pick, not your first as you will still take the first player you wanted.

Now I understand that you have had a family issue and whilst not wanting to go into that can I just say I hope everything is ok. Most on here however, yourself included, seem to think that some sort of punishment is in order as you did have ages to get your list in order and missed a deadline that you announced.

That's why I'm suggesting that your first 2 picks be moved back one round (16 places). That takes out your first choice player whilst still giving you the opportunity to draft the amount of youngsters you wanted to.

Thoughts? This has to be resolved asap.
This is actually my preferred penalty. First 2 picks back 16 spots.
Although I have an uneasy feeling that it may be a bit too tough and that a 10 position penalty may be more appropriate than 16.

I'm happy with either 10 or 16 for the first 2 picks.
And this penalty will set a precedent for the future.
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I think that having my first two picks moved back 10 spots is a fair and just punishment, and should become the precedent from now on.
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Well, in my case my pick 1 and 2 would become 11 & 12, giving for example, the previous pick 12 a boost to pick 10, but pick 13 gets no boost, doesn't seem fair. Also, 1/2 to 11/12 is different to 35/36 to 45/46 right.
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