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| Topic Started: Nov 29 2009, 09:44 PM (1,400 Views) | |
| Lliam | Nov 29 2009, 09:44 PM Post #1 |
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Matthew Richardson
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A very special thank you to dtm for saving this years national draft. I intended to get everything set up Saturday but had a minor emergency all day then had to go out that night. Then decided I'd do it Sunday morning before being called in to play cricket and I've only just gotten home now. This also means that I didn't delist players in time for the cut off. I'm leaving what happens next up to you, the members. |
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| Stife | Nov 30 2009, 07:09 AM Post #2 |
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In exceptional circumstances like that it should be fine. |
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| Lliam | Nov 30 2009, 08:41 AM Post #3 |
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Matthew Richardson
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Appreciate that Stife, but I'll wait for a few more replies and see what everyone else says. |
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| Shabby | Nov 30 2009, 10:44 AM Post #4 |
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Mark Blake
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Same rules should apply to everyone. But TBH I don't actually like the rule that you lose your picks in that circumstance, it should be more lenient in the case you don't get them in because of one reason or another, this is a game of FF not the most important thing in our lives so its going to happen from time to time even to the most reliable of coaches. Comply with the current ruling or change the rule completely and comply with that IMO. |
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| Lliam | Nov 30 2009, 11:30 AM Post #5 |
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Matthew Richardson
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I agree with your idea of changing the rules, it should be an admin decision at their discretion based on the circumstances. But if we do decide to change the rule, does it mean I should comply with the current rule, or the new rule? |
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| Dtm | Nov 30 2009, 11:55 AM Post #6 |
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Mark Blake
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I don't know what to make of this. On the one hand RLL, you, as everyone else, have had ages to get their list in order and should have done so if not well before the national draft then certainly just after it. The fact that I went through the lists and gave list numbers last week means everyone was aware of their list size. Next, it is clearly stated in the rules for our draft that any lists over 35 will not participate in the draft. I don't think we changed them for Stoney last year when he only had 2 picks and had to forfeit them. I wasn't part of the admin then but was it a decision that required a lot of thought or was it just a "he broke the rules so he doesn't get the picks" decision? On the other hand you've had circumstances that have kept you from getting on for a couple of days. I agree with those who've posted already here in that there probably needs to be a bit more discretion used on issues like this rather than hard and fast rules. However whether this is applicable here and to what extent we use the discretion is debatable. RLL, if this was just another coach, would they be penalised by losing their draft picks or not? Edited by Dtm, Nov 30 2009, 11:57 AM.
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| TFLUA-Tiger | Nov 30 2009, 12:39 PM Post #7 |
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Ashley Sampi
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The question DTM asked is the one I'd ask too. |
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| Spud Farmer | Nov 30 2009, 01:12 PM Post #8 |
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I've been under the impression that if you didnt have your list under 35 players come draft time, then you miss out. there has been plenty of time to get the delistings in. I know it may sound stiff, but there was no excuse for not having your delistings in at the start of last week. All the teams delistings and retirements had been finalized weeks prior, so i cant find any excuses for you unfortunatly, especially when stoney had his picks taken from him last year. its just the way the cookie crumbles im affraid. |
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| Shabby | Nov 30 2009, 01:24 PM Post #9 |
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Discretion should have nothing to do with it, people talk out their arse all the time on the internet. Should be a black & white ruling, it should be more lenient IMO but the rules that are in now should probably apply now. |
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| Dtm | Nov 30 2009, 01:32 PM Post #10 |
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Mark Blake
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I don't agree it should be more lenient. People have months to get their lists ready and know full well the consequences. If they can't do it due to laziness or poor management then tough luck. I think discretion does have a place for extreme circumstances. Say your house burns down or there is a family issue that suddenly arises, I think we should use discretion there. If people want to lie about serious and tragic stuff like that to get a couple of picks in a fantasy draft then good luck to them but I'd hazard a guess and say they're pretty pathetic people. |
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| Eddie | Nov 30 2009, 02:09 PM Post #11 |
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Mitch Thorp
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There was plenty of time to get your list organised. Most people left it to the last minute though, myself included. My opinion on this is you should have up until your first pick or the conclusion of the first round. RLL's first pick isn't until 35, and that could well be two weeks away... |
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| Shabby | Nov 30 2009, 02:17 PM Post #12 |
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Mark Blake
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Thats silly, you shouldn't be able to see how the draft unfolds before doing your lodgement, how the draft unfolds could affect the delistings you make and result in an advantage. |
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| Eddie | Nov 30 2009, 02:21 PM Post #13 |
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Doesn't really matter, if he wants his picks, he'll have to cut back to 35 or under anyway. If he is happy with his list and doesn't want the picks, then there is no point delisting and participating. RLL did express interest in picks in various trades and discussions but! |
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| Lliam | Nov 30 2009, 07:11 PM Post #14 |
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Matthew Richardson
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Well it was a minor family emergency which I'd rather not go into, but as I said I'm leaving the decision up to everyone else. I left my delistings up until the last minute because I didn't have four clear cut players to delist. I had two, then about another six to chose the other two from. I'd had interest in all of those six and was seeing how that panned out before I chose to delist any. As for the supposed precedent regarding Stoney, well his situation was very different. He was asked to find another pick or he would forfeit his current picks. He was unable/decided not to, and therefore forfeited them. There was no extra circumstances attatched. The decision required some deliberation from the admin team at the time, but we decided that due to his non-action on the issue that he'd forfeit. Had he not been online or had any other extenuating circumstances the decision may have been different. As for if it were just another coach, well I think as an admin team we'd asses the situation. Whilst I'm not trying to sway anyones decision, I'd be lenient given the circumstances presented and allow the picks to be taken. |
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| Pie 4 Life | Nov 30 2009, 10:23 PM Post #15 |
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I mirror dtm's thoughts. Rules are rules, but depends how the admin team would go if it was just an average coach not an admin. Maybe like a minor penalty if anything or something or other. Like penalised first pick or something. I dunno, see what others say. |
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| Jarman Magic | Dec 1 2009, 01:01 AM Post #16 |
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To be honest I nearly forgot to delist my players and was nearly in the same boat. I think the penalties are harsh but at the same time I think we've had plenty of time to delist players and anyone who hasn't done it yet can't really blame last minute problems for not getting it done. But having said that when we were discussing deadlines I wanted the cut off date to be after the AFL rookie draft so we know who will definitely be on a list. I delisted Skipper because of the deadline even though he's still a chance of getting picked up. I've retained Cloke who's in the same situation. I think the cut-off date for delisting players is too early. What are the current penalties? You forfeit all picks?? If so that's way too harsh! It needs to be changed. But regarding the deadline... we've had plenty of time to do that and if it wasn't done there's only one person to blame. Apply leniency? yes. Ignore the late submission? No. A fairer penalty needs to be introduced. Maybe a 1 roud penalty on all picks, or maybe just the first couple of picks? Or something like that? Missing all picks is very wrong and needs to be removed from the rules! |
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| Lliam | Dec 1 2009, 08:42 AM Post #17 |
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Matthew Richardson
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Just took a look through the rules, and there actually isn't anything in there in regards to punishment for not delisting on time. |
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| Deledio2Conca | Dec 1 2009, 09:33 AM Post #18 |
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I feel sorry for Stoney then who got massively penalised for a rule that supposedly doesn't exist. |
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| reignblack | Dec 1 2009, 09:56 AM Post #19 |
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Like some others think the penalty is way to harsh.Also agree that everyone had ample time to get the delistings done. quoting RLL from here http://s8.zetaboards.com/AFL2009/topic/8150334/1/#new "Please make sure your lists are up to date because if they're not, there will be penalties. " "Remember, if you're not within the limits by draft time, then all your hard earned picks will be forfeited! " assumed leniency would not be forthcoming Edited by reignblack, Dec 1 2009, 09:58 AM.
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| Lliam | Dec 1 2009, 11:17 AM Post #20 |
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Matthew Richardson
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As I said earlier, different circumstances IMO. He was given ample time to acquire an extra draft pick, but either chose not to or just didn't before the draft. |
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