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| The St Kilda/Geelong Trade | |
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| Topic Started: Jun 9 2009, 05:08 PM (860 Views) | |
| Snappy | Jun 9 2009, 06:28 PM Post #21 |
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#TeamLummas
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Well if teams don't stop putting players in ridiculous positions (ie Pattison FB), it'll have to come with it. It seems alot of arguments these days have come from common sense issues |
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| Dtm | Jun 9 2009, 06:28 PM Post #22 |
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Mark Blake
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Tarkyn you just reminded me of something that I just looked up. According to the rules, Admin have no right to overturn trades. They have done so in the past and correctly so. My point is that common sense prevailed and ffs, this is a fantasy afl game. Common sense and decency should be the main rules. Common sense tells me that this trade should have gone through. |
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| Dtm | Jun 9 2009, 06:32 PM Post #23 |
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Mark Blake
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As an admin, 2 word posts, particularly 'fuck no!!!' are pretty juvenile and unhelpful. You have been part of a decision making process that has rightly or wrongly come up with a decision involving STK and GEE and as thus, should be giving some proper feedback like the other two admin will and have done. Snappy's comment was a suggestion in response to my post which was relevant to the wider issue at hand here. As a result of the decision passed down it has to really be considered now as much as it pains me to say it. |
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| Tarkyn_24 | Jun 9 2009, 06:32 PM Post #24 |
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Jarrad Oakleigh-Nichols
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Common sense prevailed? Didn't we overrule the trade? I'm lost now. |
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| Colby | Jun 9 2009, 06:34 PM Post #25 |
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Tom Jonas Appreciation Society
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Yeah sorry mate, poor form on my behalf but the fact remains that i can't stand the player position list on AFLPL, i understand why it's there but personally i hate it. |
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| Dtm | Jun 9 2009, 06:34 PM Post #26 |
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Mark Blake
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Lol, NO! imo common sense didn't prevail here. In the past when other trades have been overturned, common sense has prevailed. |
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| Snappy | Jun 9 2009, 06:36 PM Post #27 |
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#TeamLummas
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Without set boundaries, coaches are starting to push the limits of common sense |
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| Tarkyn_24 | Jun 9 2009, 06:37 PM Post #28 |
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Jarrad Oakleigh-Nichols
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Ah right, I read it contextually wrong. |
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| Jarman Magic | Jun 9 2009, 08:13 PM Post #29 |
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Beau Dowler
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I was surprised to see the announcement when I logged in. After a fair bit of consideration I'd found myself 50/50 on how the trade should be handled and would have liked a bit more time to discuss all the ins and outs before making a definite decision. Having said that, the fact that no (current) rules had actually been broken and the trade was cancelled before it had been confirmed by both coaches is, in itself, sufficient reason for the trade to not go through and I back that decision. People have been saying this goes against common sense. I think people may be getting "common sense" mixed up with "ethics". To post a trade and then cancel it after is without any doubt an unethical thing to do. But common sense could very easily go in ja's favour here. Common sense told him that it wasn't a good trade for him and it's not an official trade until both team confirm it so common sense told him to cancel the trade before it goes through. He obviously didn't expect it to be an issue although should have considered the ethics involved throughout this whole issue. A couple of times I've seen that Cleishy is being "punished" in this decision. While Cleishy has every reason to be pissed off with what's happened here he's not being punished at all. He hasn't lost anything that he didn't already have. His team is no weaker than it was before this dispute. People have also said they are worried that common sense will go out the window on other issues such as player positions. This shouldn't be the case as everyone has the right to request or dispute any player positioning and the thread dedicated to dealing with player positions is regularly used. I think the majority of us all have a feel for what we think is the right way to go about things here. But ja is new and I would hope that everyone would give him the benefit of the doubt in this and also hope that ja has learned now that the "Official Trades" thread is sacred and what he did is viewed as blasphemy on this site. Rules will be put in place to ensure that this kind of thing doesn't happen again and all new coaches will be made aware of their trade responsibilities when they sign up. Cleishy... Sorry that this didn't go your way mate. I hope you understand and accept this decision and understand how frustrating this must be for you. JA... Be very careful with your trades. If you accept a trade and that trade is posted you now know that you are expected to honour that trade. Also, be very careful of any immediate trades you may have in mind for Chappy or Dal. If you cancelled the trade because you suddenly received an offer you thought was better you know that will not go down well here. Remember, all eyes are now on you! Edited by Jarman Magic, Jun 9 2009, 08:17 PM.
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| Cleishy | Jun 9 2009, 09:09 PM Post #30 |
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Jason Laycock
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Yes I am pissed off that this trade was reversed for my own benefit but mainly because of the spirit this game has always been played. I don't have any choice but to accept it, I just think its a poor decision made. Every other decision made had been due to common sense but now we are going on technicalities which opens the door for a lot of boundaries to be pushed. The rules cannot cover every single thing but we all know what was right. Now that has gone out the window there will be other things pushed. The decision went against what the majority thought was right also, which is another story,. |
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| Lliam | Jun 9 2009, 11:38 PM Post #31 |
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Matthew Richardson
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This was posted by JM in the Staff Room. Seeing as it's something that everyone has a clear opinion on, I thought it'd be good to show everyone first.
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| Lliam | Jun 15 2009, 11:29 AM Post #32 |
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Matthew Richardson
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Nobody even has an opinion? |
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| Dtm | Jun 15 2009, 11:34 AM Post #33 |
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Mark Blake
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I think that's fair. I would add one thing though, that a trade can be reversed if all involved parties agree to it. Alternatively they could just do another trade so not a big deal really. Actually just thinking about it, I'd make it longer than 48 hours. Anything can happen to a computer that would keep you off the site for that time. Personal circumstances may keep people from logging on too. I'd make it 5 days or a week. |
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| Jarman Magic | Jun 15 2009, 02:14 PM Post #34 |
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Beau Dowler
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It's only an option to cancel the trade. I personally don't think it's fair for someone to have to wait more than 24 hours for a trade to be confirmed effectively putting a complete freeze on the players you have involved. Most people won't want to cancel the trade anyway, but I just think 48 hours is plenty for coaches to confirm. If it isn't confirmed in this time I think the posting coach should have the option of cancelling. I would HATE to wait 5-7 days for someone to confirm a trade. I wouldn't be happy with that at all. But I don't have to cancel the trade if I really want it to go through. 2 days is more than enough to wait |
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| Dtm | Jun 15 2009, 03:01 PM Post #35 |
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Mark Blake
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Imo 48 hours is a bit of an odd time. I understand what you're saying but 99% of the time the trade is finalised with an hour or so by the second party. Everyone here seems to get on at least once a day so usually the trade will be confirmed within a day if this is not the case. The only reason it wouldn't be is if the coach literally can't get on a computer and I don't think 2 days is really a long enough period for this to rectify itself. Having said that, both ideas are dealing with really rare occurences. It doesn't really matter but I think it's better to play it safe. |
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| Jarman Magic | Jun 15 2009, 03:40 PM Post #36 |
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Beau Dowler
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I see your point but like I said, I'd hate to have players hanging on a confirmation for more than a few days. Especially if I needed them for team structure in a match for the weekend or was planning on using them in another trade. As you said, it's rare that this will happen and I think it'd be rare that anyone would cancel the trade if they had to wait 2 days or more but they should have that option if they are kept waiting. |
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| Pie 4 Life | Jun 16 2009, 10:36 AM Post #37 |
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Sounds good, will stop people posting trades without thinking. |
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| Lliam | Jun 17 2009, 05:22 PM Post #38 |
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Matthew Richardson
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The 'Trade Rules' have been posted in the 'Official Trades' section and also linked in the official rules. |
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