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Saints Trading
Topic Started: Feb 22 2018, 02:23 PM (852 Views)
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Was very short but happened... Sounds like you lads need a chat
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Stife will be back on the weekend, think everyone can take a chill pill until then.
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Just got out of a long, long relationship. Single living ftw. Freelance sex object ;)
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Okay, let's get to it all. I'm torn because I wish to defend myself but I feel like any defense won't be valid in your eyes, Boof - and nothing short of a mea culpa will satisfy you. But I'll try.

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That was predictable. . .

Talk is cheap RLL, he needs to focus on action.


I get the frustration, but this is rash. I'd been appointed for 15 hours at the time. Perhaps I should have suggested deferring the appointment (but why wait like even if I'm not going to go on a frenzy, no point delaying?) - but yesterday and today are hectic for me. I literally have no spare time, I shouldn't have even made this thread. And I'm out over the weekend. I figured giving me a few days to get started was better than having essentially two coachless lists. The OP explicitly said 'I'll get back to you in the coming days'. It was said for a reason.

The reason I've moved and not resigned is that my time issues are resolving themselves soon. Have patience.

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I’ve had better discussions with Snappy than I have in ages.


This is wonderful. I'm glad I was wrong.

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Fuck off Colby.
The useless prick hasn’t responded to me since January 21st. If that’s acceptable then I’m happy to be on the outer. Some of you blokes seem to continually accept his poor performance and as a result he feels enabled.
He put pressure on himself by slagging Snappy’s reinstatement off the other day. If he wants to hold others to those standards he needs to be prepared to step up to the plate.


If I'd called you a useless prick you'd probably have resigned. I've also been poor for 5-6 months only. This will be my tenth season on the site.

Before that, I'd been steady. Patches of massive activity, but a base level that would have been considered excellent for what the site is now. Perhaps not with you, but that's a different story. I agree - the last six months have been awful. But I literally told everyone that they would be. I knew it would happen - which means it wasn't just weaning passion. It's difficult to trade when you're in a different timezone (and super busy), especially when your best kind of trading occurs over IM - i.e. facebook chat, something that I use with most coaches. I feel like after 9 years of being an active and loyal part of the site, I'm entitled to a little bit of downtime when I've announced it in advance and just won a flag. Before that, it'd been pretty steady. Everyone else has had issues, Stoney's resigned a couple of times, as have you and Gav. Even RLL had a good year when his standards were as low as mine for the last six months - but we understood, and we trusted that he'd be back. And he was. Because in general, this site's pretty good to the people who've kept it going. For some reason this is an exception for you.

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We’ll just continue to pretend like it’s a non-issue then. Waiting a month for a reply is totally cool.


I'm not even sure why you wanted a reply. You know how it'd go. We'd have 3-5 okay messages then I'd do something minor (like take too long to reply, or make a reply that didn't have enough legwork in it) and it'd start a confrontation. I reckon half our talks went that way. It's not fun, it's never been fun. And it happened when I was active. And from the sounds of it - it really only happened with you for me, and me for you.

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This is why he feels entitled to treat the site and active coaches with contempt.


This is just offensive. Do you think RLL treated the site with contempt when he was absent for a long time? Like he absolutely did not, nor have I. Nor will I.

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My point Schulz is this.
Stife was VERY quick to comment about Snappy and his reappointment. The reality is Stife himself has been as bad if not worse over a LONG PERIOD of time.


I'm not going to address this (I'd typed out a long reply and realised it was counterproductive) other than to say I think Snappy and my situations over the previous nine years are very different, and my own inactivity doesn't disqualify or invalidate me from commenting on anothers.

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I found that extraordinarily hypocritical. If he’s going to cast stones and hold people to higher standards he MUST be prepared to go over and above to do the same.


This is just tu quoque. Something I've definitely called you out on numerous times before (because I remember your offence that I'd 'speak down to you'). Just because I don't act in accordance with my critique, doesn't make it wrong. Being a carnivore doesn't mean you can't agree that vegetarian diets are better for the environment, for example.

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I don’t want him sacked at all. I want him to actively engage in trade discussions as per the site rules. He has felt that these rules don’t apply to him. I’m fucking sick if it and genuinely couldn’t be stuffed putting in any effort to a site that lets this slide over and over and over and over and over again.


You gave me 15 hours. You wished for me to fail. Which just gives me more resolve not to.

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If that’s true I’m done with this.
Complete waste of time.


He sent me a message on facebook with a straight offer, I rejected it and explained why. That took me 15 seconds. Getting into talks takes much longer.

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As I've said to most people privately, you'll hear from me soon. I've just gotta sort out this work today. I've taken enough time off to reply here.
Edited by Stife, Feb 23 2018, 11:48 AM.
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You know what Stife, you’re probably right. I’m not going to defend myself or my stance on the matter anymore though. If you feel as though you’re justified then more power to you. The fact that you defended your comments about Snappy tell me I’m wasting my time.

I hope for the site’s sake that we actually see as much effort in your actions as you put in to your excuses. I just don’t think I can be fucked putting up with waiting anymore though.
Unfinished business.
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And just to clarify I don’t think RLL treated the site with contempt. I think you have been. To actively ignore people and continually come up with bullshit excuses like jet lag for a month is such poor form. To have the common decency to say “sorry Boof, no interests at Brisbane” isn’t too much to ask. You feel entitled to not show people that level of respect and people go out of their way to defend that. It’s not a one off issue either.
Unfinished business.
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boof
Feb 23 2018, 12:18 PM
And just to clarify I don’t think RLL treated the site with contempt. I think you have been. To actively ignore people and continually come up with bullshit excuses like jet lag for a month is such poor form. To have the common decency to say “sorry Boof, no interests at Brisbane” isn’t too much to ask. You feel entitled to not show people that level of respect and people go out of their way to defend that. It’s not a one off issue either.
If I'm being honest, I did the same thing and made up bullshit excuses. Speaking from experience though, this kind of negativity kept me away from the site for longer. Just saying.
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You don’t think that I have a right to be negative when I’m the one that is completely and utterly ignored? I’m the one who should continue to be patient despite being the one that actually puts in effort?
Incredible.
Unfinished business.
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Boof, you have my word that I'll be back to what I was >a year ago.

Just give a little time for me to prove that - I don't think that's too much.
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Feb 23 2018, 12:24 PM
You don’t think that I have a right to be negative when I’m the one that is completely and utterly ignored? I’m the one who should continue to be patient despite being the one that actually puts in effort?
Incredible.
I don't know how many times it needs to be said in this thread for you to actually listen to it but I'll try one more time then I'm done with it.

When in charge of Port Adelaide, Stifes activity levels were not acceptable. We identified that and Stife identified that. That's the reason that Stife is no longer at Port Adelaide. That chapter is finished. Stife is now at St Kilda. This is (or was meant to be) a fresh start. Stop holding onto what has happened in the past. Give him a chance. It's only just ticked over 24 hours that he has been in charge. In the OP of this thread, this is what Stife wrote "Hit me up - I'll get back to you over the coming days". You waited 15 hours. Give. Him. A. Chance.
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You can be as repetitive as you like RLL. Reality is he should’ve been pulled up months ago but you blokes have had your heads up your arses about it. It’s your continued defence if his uselessness that says to me nothing will change. They’re just words.
Unfinished business.
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I'm really struggling to see what you're hoping to achieve here boof.

Stife's activity levels over recent months at Port Adelaide were unacceptable. Literally everyone concedes that, including Stife himself. Nobody's disagreeing with you there.

By his move to the Saints, action has now been taken to encourage Stife to boost his activity. You obviously believe that some sort of action should have been taken earlier, and maybe you're right, but the important thing is that action has now been taken. No use crying over spilt milk.

It's entirely standard for a coach taking over a new team to sit back for a few days, take stock of the list and decide on a direction. Stife took over the Saints yesterday. At least give him the weekend to get back into talks. If we're having this same conversation about unanswered PM's on Monday then blast him as much as you like.
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I wanna get some deals done. Got some real energy right now that I didn't have even last week, so let's get shit done. Everyone's on the table - ideally kids or (high) picks. Won't give up my truly top tier talent/points unless i get similar or better in the deal (i.e. not downgrading quality in a 1 for 2). everything else is open. let's get something done. PM or FB me
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How bout replying then mate?
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Looking to move on some blokes that don't fit in with where I'm taking this list. Varying prices, but I think all will be reasonable and there can be mutually beneficial deals.

D. Astbury
K. McIntosh
L. Henderson
R. Atkins
L. Shuey
K. Stevens
T. Phillips
J. Harmes
K. Turner
J. Stewart
T. Bugg
T. Miles
J. Neade
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Hendo and Shuey please
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Atkins
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L. Henderson
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Don't want to do this, but Jack Macrae is on the block. I've found a common issue I'm encountering is that the interest lists I'm receiving are usually 4-5 blokes long, and the same blokes. It's understandable that most of my list isn't appealing - it's not good. But I need to trade to improve. So, he's on the block for 2-3 gun pieces. AFFL coaches usually love trading quantity for quality, and nobody wants to do it. Here's the chance.

He's received three offers this week - Longer + Setterfield, Davies-Uniacke, and Steele + Ben Long (with me adding James Stewart). None of these offers are close to the mark, if that indicates his value. I'd want more. 2-4 (depending on their ability) talented young prospects, ideally under 24 but not averse to taking on players I could on-trade (i.e they have value).

I'm also opening up

Jake Lever
Tim Kelly, and
Luke Shuey

for similar offers. Shuey will be the cheapest (i.e won't require absolute gun prospects, only reasonable ones) but I'd still want something worthwhile.

If you wanna try Petracca or McCluggage, be my guest - but I think it'd be tough.

PM/FB me, or post in here and I'll hit you up. Let's get deals done.
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Pls stop lumping LDU in with those utter garbage offers. Steele and Long for Macrae and Stewart, fuck me dead.
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