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Return of the 'Pad.....; The Man in The Middle Under The Microscope.....
Topic Started: 1st February 2011 - 09:43 AM (637 Views)
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It's been a while.... sorry but to be honest no one has needed telling that the ref is going to be crap in advance of the game!

Our visit to the Tigers sees us renew an old acquaintance in Graham Salisbury. He is something of an old warhorse compared to some of the newbies that have been sent our way of late and he has seen some significant games in our recent history. Our 4-1 defeat of Gillingham last season and perhaps more spectacularly our 2-1 last day victory over Bristol Rovers to clinch promotion. He was the one who sent Max for an early bath that day and kept our hearts in our mouths for the next hour or so.......

We have won most of the eight or nine games he has officiated in - the only two defeats being at home to Baaadiff and away to Sunderland four and five seasons back. There was also a goalless draw against Forest in our first season outside of the PL. Since those defeats though, we have been awesome winning five on the bounce with him in charge racking up 18 goals and conceding just five. It looks like he might have changed a bit as a ref though, and perhaps the sending off of Gradel had an effect because up until then his yellow card rate was marginally just over two per game, but this season it is already at almost four per game with an astonishing 23 yellows and two reds in the last five games. Just prior to that he booked 8 in the Terriers v Cambridge Utd FA Cup 1st Round.

So to tonight. Well with Max growing up a bit that might - just might save us adding too much to the disciplinary pot as Leeds are currently the worst offenders in the division as we have conceded 348 free kicks along with 52 yellow cards and 2 red cards. On the positive side, if we can keep the defence together, Hull will have their work cut out as apart from Scunthorpe (what happened to that swear filter?) they have the worst attacking record at home in the division. On paper - assuming the defence turns up and we can keep eleven men on the field we should win this. People will point at our midweek hoodoo of spectacular defeats but I don't think Hull have it in them to overturn us if we turn up - so away from the pressure cooker that is Elland Road, I think the players will react well and start focussing on picking up those points again.

So I reckon a draw or narrow win with Leeds picking up four yellows to Hull's two.
Edited by strachans shinpad, 1st February 2011 - 09:44 AM.
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1st February 2011 - 09:43 AM
It's been a while.... sorry but to be honest no one has needed telling that the ref is going to be crap in advance of the game!

Our visit to the Tigers sees us renew an old acquaintance in Graham Salisbury. He is something of an old warhorse compared to some of the newbies that have been sent our way of late and he has seen some significant games in our recent history. Our 4-1 defeat of Gillingham last season and perhaps more spectacularly our 2-1 last day victory over Bristol Rovers to clinch promotion. He was the one who sent Max for an early bath that day and kept our hearts in our mouths for the next hour or so.......

We have won most of the eight or nine games he has officiated in - the only two defeats being at home to Baaadiff and away to Sunderland four and five seasons back. There was also a goalless draw against Forest in our first season outside of the PL. Since those defeats though, we have been awesome winning five on the bounce with him in charge racking up 18 goals and conceding just five. It looks like he might have changed a bit as a ref though, and perhaps the sending off of Gradel had an effect because up until then his yellow card rate was marginally just over two per game, but this season it is already at almost four per game with an astonishing 23 yellows and two reds in the last five games. Just prior to that he booked 8 in the Terriers v Cambridge Utd FA Cup 1st Round.

So to tonight. Well with Max growing up a bit that might - just might save us adding too much to the disciplinary pot as Leeds are currently the worst offenders in the division as we have conceded 348 free kicks along with 52 yellow cards and 2 red cards. On the positive side, if we can keep the defence together, Hull will have their work cut out as apart from Scunthorpe (what happened to that swear filter?) they have the worst attacking record at home in the division. On paper - assuming the defence turns up and we can keep eleven men on the field we should win this. People will point at our midweek hoodoo of spectacular defeats but I don't think Hull have it in them to overturn us if we turn up - so away from the pressure cooker that is Elland Road, I think the players will react well and start focussing on picking up those points again.

So I reckon a draw or narrow win with Leeds picking up four yellows to Hull's two.
Where's the "Wipes tear from eye at the return of lost wandering soul" emoticon.

SS, its not that we don't know they're going to be crap.....its the LEVEL of crapness we need to be aware of..... :bounce:
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Yeah you're dead busy at work and really unable to talk!
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1st February 2011 - 09:43 AM
It's been a while.... sorry but to be honest no one has needed telling that the ref is going to be crap in advance of the game!

So I reckon a draw or narrow win with Leeds picking up four yellows to Hull's two.
OMG you are septic peg ....

Although it was 3 yellows to their 2

I don't know if I should slap you for the smugness I know I will encounter on Saturday over this or be impressed and let your big headedness run .......sod it!

:yourock: - just don't go spoiling yourself now - :lolanimate:



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1st February 2011 - 09:43 AM
So I reckon a draw or narrow win with Leeds picking up four yellows to Hull's two.
Thank you fans...... :banana:
Edited by strachans shinpad, 1st February 2011 - 11:20 PM.
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Magic.......
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Ok, tomorrow's man in the middle is Neil Swarbrick who has officiated Leeds both home and away in recent seasons - we don't have a bad record in games he has been at except for one. Histon.

Of course that day it wasn't the ref who contributed to one of our poorest ever performances, the weather was a factor that inspired Histon to an improbable victory, hopefully a packed ER and a decent pitch will not have the same levelling effect on the Canaries as they make a journey back to Elland Road that in recent years has been a far from happy hunting ground for them. Norwich have a surprisingly poor recent record at Elland Road, and their potency in attack - particularly in the last ten minutes and injury time coupled with our form earlier in the season where we would push the self destruct button towards the end of the game - could see some squeaky bum time if Leeds haven't put the game to bed by the 75th minute, I can see a nervous Leeds side, with equally nervous home support hanging on to the edge of their seats as Norwich try and build on their reputation of snatching victories and draws from the jaws of defeat.

Norwich will be without influential Leon Barrett whom they took on loan from WBA at the beginning of the season, so we have to hope that our forwards can take advantage of a new partnership in the Canaries defence. Sanchez Watt is likely to be back in contention, so another attacking game can be expected, but that could all come to nothing if Leeds don't have the game in the bag going into the last ten minutes.

The man in the middle is very much Mr Average in terms of bookings and sendings off. I'm going to go for a 1-1 draw with three yellow cards, two for Leeds and one for the Canaries.
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should I make my Fergie tome prediction here and now I wonder :hmm:
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I prefer it when SS predicts Leeds victories...........
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Ok given the snow and SS' prediction I go for 3 mins extra time at end of second half. Hope Delia is here
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No where do I see a prediction of the red deciding if the game should be played today due to snow ...
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mr Kipling does do exceedingly good predictions.....LOL
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I was right! I wad right! 3 mins "fergie" time, as SS and I call it, at end of second half!

Told you I was special SS!
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LL certainly is "special". For the benefit of the unitiated, LL sits next to me and we try to predict how much injury time there will be at the end of each half. LL has developed a talent for picking it correctly, sometimes just a few minutes into the half. However, up until Saturday she had never done it so early!
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So, hot on the heels of Mr Swarbrick, and the ringing condemnation of "we only get shit refs" the FL distinguishes itself in selecting Mark Clattenburg for the visit of Barnsley. No one can accuse him of being shy about his cards just at the moment, he has issued an incredible twenty yellows and three reds in the last four games! It hasn't stopped the goals though, with an average of three goals being scored in the games he has officiated at this season. Going back to the "we only get shit refs" taunt at Mr Swarbrick on Saturday, no one can argue with Mr Clattenburg's credentials - he is a FIFA official who took charge of the Championship play off final last season, and who regularly gets the "interesting" fixtures. Last time he officiated for us was our 2-1 defeat at Millwall last season. Given his experience, you have to question whether or not he is the right stuff.

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In 2008, Clattenburg was appointed to referee the FA Community Shield, with Dave Richardson and Ian Gosling assisting and Andre Marriner acting as fourth official. However, Clattenburg was later suspended from refereeing, pending an investigation into alleged debts incurred by companies to which he is connected. The match between Portsmouth and Manchester United took place at Wembley Stadium with Peter Walton as the replacement referee

Following the investigation into his personal life and business debts, the referees' governing body dismissed Clattenburg, citing a breach of contract. He denied all the allegations and appealed the decision. On 18 February 2009 the Professional Game Match Officials Board reinstated Clattenburg as a Select Group referee. However, he had to serve an eight-month suspension, starting from his original suspension date of 6 August 2008. Upon his return from suspension on the last day of the Premier League season, Clattenburg refereed the fixture between Manchester City and Bolton Wanderers.

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Perhaps Clattenburg's fiercest criticism in top-flight refereeing followed his officiating of the Merseyside derby between Everton and Liverpool on 20 October 2007. The first notable incident involving Clattenburg was the award of a penalty kick for an apparent professional foul by Everton's Tony Hibbert on Liverpool's Steven Gerrard. Clattenburg initially appeared to take out his yellow card to book Hibbert but after an interaction, albeit brief, with Gerrard, Clattenburg changed his mind and issued Hibbert a red card. He later elected not to send off Dirk Kuyt for a waist-high lunge at Phil Neville. One final controversy arose when he declined Everton's appeals for a penalty in the third minute of injury time, with the score at 1–2, when Jamie Carragher appeared to foul Joleon Lescott in the Liverpool penalty area. Following the match, Clattenburg was suspended from officiating the following weekend's Premier League matches and has never since been appointed to referee an Everton match.


So the scene is set. A referee who achieved the FIFA list before the age of 30 clearly full of his self importance, a barcode by his own admission will add to any potential anti Leeds bias, he has been given a Yorkshire derby on what will almost certainly be a wet pitch which will encourage some meaty tackles. There will be a sense of unfinished business for the Leeds players and confidence for the Tykes who will feel that we are ripe for another mauling. Clattenburg's recent card fest points to a similar barrage of cards tomorrow and I suggest there will be five or more yellow cards, and it is unlikely that both teams will finish with eleven players on the field.

News from the camps themselves doesn't give much away, Sanchez Watt is expected to be in the squad, and Lichaj will continue in place of Connoly. Barnsley hope to be able to recall some of their strikeforce, and their current form suggests that unless lighting strikes twice and Leeds roll over and offer theri asses up (again) the statistics point to a home win. Barnsley have an appalling record away from home against teams in the top half of the table - a solitrary point from a trip to Forest being the only non-defeat against sides in the top half of the table at the time.

So on paper it should (SHOULD!) be another three points for Leeds, but the buggeration factor looms larger in the shape of barcode boy Clattenburg who has it entirely within his gift to ruin the entire game if he goes on another card frenzy.

'Pad's Prediction: Home win. 2-0, five yellows and one red.

one minute of first half inury time, and four mins second half.- just for LL :lolanimate:


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Bloomin' 'eck....thats what I call comprehensive.......
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Well he is sat on his bum at home all week ;)
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I'm going for 1 min first half .......

5 mins second half
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Another frigging draw. Shinpad sacked. That is all.
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22nd February 2011 - 10:44 PM
Another frigging draw. Shinpad sacked. That is all.
Bit harsh there Fitz

He did the red-yellow prediction stuff well and the Ref biography was great. In fairness none of us would have gone for 3-3 draw. Even if our midweek form is appalling, which it is.

He can't predict extra time or, as we discovered last night, crowd attendance for toffee mind you ;)
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Another frigging draw. Shinpad sacked. That is all.
Bit harsh there Fitz

He did the red-yellow prediction stuff well and the Ref biography was great. In fairness none of us would have gone for 3-3 draw. Even if our midweek form is appalling, which it is.

He can't predict extra time or, as we discovered last night, crowd attendance for toffee mind you ;)
Alright, official warning then, I suppose......
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I geeeeve yorrr offeeeeeshalll worning theeeees much respeck :booty:

oh hang on, that might have been a mistake........ :hmm:

In my defence I offer the following remarks from my preview which was mostly about the ref.....

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So on paper it should (SHOULD!) be another three points for Leeds, but the buggeration factor looms larger in the shape of barcode boy Clattenburg who has it entirely within his gift to ruin the entire game if he goes on another card frenzy.



I rest my case. :peaceout:
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Hard on the heels of the PL brain donors that the FL have sent us in the shape of Phil Dowd at Swansea and Lee Probert last week for the Donny game, today they send Darren Deadman. He has never been to ER before, and that could work against us. He does not have the right temperament for high profile games - hence his hanging around outside the PL at this point. He has a phenomenal record with cards - reds in particular. This season alone in just 20 games he has issued a stunning 75 yellows and 5 reds. A whopping 9 yellows and 2 reds in the cauldron that was Torquay v Crawley Town in the FA Cup. The away team has won a disproportionate nine of the 20 games he has officiated at this season which could point towards his inexperience causing him to rule against pressure from home supporters.

He has reffed two previous games for us, the 0-0 result at Brentford last season, and the season before our 1-3 win at Swindon. In that game he sent Sheehan off in the 8th minute and subsequently booked five Leeds players compared to just Nalis for Swindon - and that was in a game we were cruising in!

My prediction today is 2-1 to Leeds, seven yellow cards and one red. Deadman is a buffoon who probably has pictures of Danny McDermid on his bedroom wall.
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I will strat the chant now then.

Shit ref's, we always get shit ref's.
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:hmm: No extra time prediction I see SS
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Extra time will will be about an hour with that card count......yes I meant to say count.....
Edited by Fitz, 12th March 2011 - 04:11 PM.
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Well ... We truely only get shit refs!!
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12th March 2011 - 06:24 PM
Well ... We truely only get shit refs!!
Believe me, if you're an irish rugby fan, there is worse........taker a bow Kaplan the fucking twat.
Edited by Fitz, 12th March 2011 - 07:54 PM.
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Well ... We truely only get shit refs!!
Believe me, if you're an irish rugby fan, there is worse........taker a bow Kaplan the fucking twat.
Honestly mate Darren Deadman is the football equivelant, Im sure he was bon in Fuckwit Avenue, Fuckwit Village, United Fuckwitdom, in fact I know he was, cos he was my neighbour.

Clueless, at least this morning fuckwit village will have its 2 fucking idiots back.
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Well ... We truely only get shit refs!!
Believe me, if you're an irish rugby fan, there is worse........taker a bow Kaplan the fucking twat.
Clearly Wales can only succeed by cheating mate
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