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Warning; Alan Smith thread
Topic Started: 4th August 2009 - 12:37 PM (721 Views)
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Right I know there's probably going to be disagreements as Smith is always an emotive issue but I've had this feeling at the back of my mind since the Newcastle friendly was announced and it's now more credible given Lorimer's statement on Smith on the LUFc website.

Lorimer statement

Anyway, my feeling is that Leeds are paving the way for Alan Smith's return.
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4th August 2009 - 12:37 PM
Right I know there's probably going to be disagreements as Smith is always an emotive issue but I've had this feeling at the back of my mind since the Newcastle friendly was announced and it's now more credible given Lorimer's statement on Smith on the LUFc website.

Lorimer statement

Anyway, my feeling is that Leeds are paving the way for Alan Smith's return.
Not sure about that but I'd happily see him back

Never signed up to the hate Smith crowd
I didn't need PL to remind me of the situation we were in and it was pretty obvious that the club would take as much as they could get which was going to be from Man Ure at that time

With Smith's salary cut back to Chumps levels I guess it wouldn't be to much of a streach for an agreement but still can't see it happening anytime soon
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but smiths a premiership player
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smith is not good enough

he's not a striker not a midfielder

i think bizzarely considering that he is only young he's had his moments against liverpool and lazio

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it'd be great to see him come back but i seriously doubt it'll be this season or even next if we go up
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Smith was someone who played with his heart (which made him a liability at times) and was willing to do whatever was asked of him (which also means that he's never fully realised his potential).

I'd love to see him back - but am not sure if we need him.
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I hate to admit it, but I was one of the Smith hate brigade. My opinion has mellowed a lot over the years and to be honest, I would love to see him come back. I doubt it would happen though because Bates knows it would split the fans instantly.
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I was never in the hate camp. Life's too short.

Yes, he left to join Man Utd but he forgave his loyalty bonus and joined the club that were willing to pay the most for him which we desperately needed at the time.

I wouldn't mind him back in the right circumstances but I doubt he will come unless Newcastle stump up a chunk of his wages for the rest of his contract in a Ridsdale style.
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Oh dear, what will the good folk of WACCOE be thinking of this board, other than its being dying on its arse, i say, if you want reasonable debate this is the place(albeit you will have to wait a week for a reply), if you want moronic thumping on chests, and lets all have one opinion or else, then the dark side is the place for you... Anyhow on the Smith debate, i tend to agree, that the club is at least testing the water with regards to a return, i suppose he could do a job at this level, though tongue in cheek(wahey missus)i like the Garlic quote, BUT that was then, wouldnt be too down hearted if Smith did re-sign, perhaps Sav had the forsight all those years back, maybe Smith is gonna be the saviour?
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6th August 2009 - 08:58 AM
Oh dear, what will the good folk of WACCOE be thinking of this board, other than its being dying on its arse, i say, if you want reasonable debate this is the place(albeit you will have to wait a week for a reply), if you want moronic thumping on chests, and lets all have one opinion or else, then the dark side is the place for you... Anyhow on the Smith debate, i tend to agree, that the club is at least testing the water with regards to a return, i suppose he could do a job at this level, though tongue in cheek(wahey missus)i like the Garlic quote, BUT that was then, wouldnt be too down hearted if Smith did re-sign, perhaps Sav had the forsight all those years back, maybe Smith is gonna be the saviour?
Not sure how the finances would work out with this, he'll have already taken a hit going into the chumps
But I don't think he'll be looking forward to this season with Newcastle either
The attraction of going to a club with better finances could be a bonus (mild chuckle emoticon)
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Oh dear, what will the good folk of WACCOE be thinking of this board, other than its being dying on its arse, i say, if you want reasonable debate this is the place(albeit you will have to wait a week for a reply), if you want moronic thumping on chests, and lets all have one opinion or else, then the dark side is the place for you... Anyhow on the Smith debate, i tend to agree, that the club is at least testing the water with regards to a return, i suppose he could do a job at this level, though tongue in cheek(wahey missus)i like the Garlic quote, BUT that was then, wouldnt be too down hearted if Smith did re-sign, perhaps Sav had the forsight all those years back, maybe Smith is gonna be the saviour?
Not sure how the finances would work out with this, he'll have already taken a hit going into the chumps
But I don't think he'll be looking forward to this season with Newcastle either
The attraction of going to a club with better finances could be a bonus (mild chuckle emoticon)
All the Newcastle players contracts were signed without relegation reduction clauses so he won't have taken a hit.

Tis why Newcastle are predicted to go into even bigger freefall than us...

Duff is on £65,000 a week according to some reports. That's about 6 of our first teams wages on one player. Honestly think we could see Newcastle get relegated to League Two if they're not careful.

As for Smith, he's a better player than most in the Championship and certainly than a fair few in League One. I'd have him back but the thing that sticks in my mind is it's never the same when you go back for a second go...
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One of the things alot of Smith loathers forget, he is not money orientated, when he left to go to Scum, he could have earnt more in wages at other clubs, one reason why some will never forgive him, he also waivered a big pay off from us, i honestly do not think he would worry about a wage drop by coming to Leeds, now to contradict myself a little, i do think Barcoders will be pleased to get him off the wage bill, so will therefore pay up some of his contract to release him, hence the shortfall in money to Smith not being as much. We all know how we had to release players and even continue to pick up the tab, it will happen to them, so why not with Smith? Lets face it surely outside of the Premiership, we have to be among the top 3 sleeping giants. Potentially if we were to get promotions and rise again to glory, we would stay in the top league, however other than say Boro and Barcoder,s all others would continue to be yo yo clubs. IMO.
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KD4 - have you been reading some serious football magazine....can the real KD4 please be released, i will pay any costs and might even throw in a holiday to make sure he is not stressed on his return
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Another point that's just occured to me on Smith's future... at the time we were relegated he was aspiring to have an international career, which will have contributed to his desire to stay at a 'top' club... now that that is just a pipe-dream, there's one less obsticle in the way of him returning.
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6th August 2009 - 05:12 PM
Another point that's just occured to me on Smith's future... at the time we were relegated he was aspiring to have an international career, which will have contributed to his desire to stay at a 'top' club... now that that is just a pipe-dream, there's one less obsticle in the way of him returning.
True, he is just as likely to get picked for england playing for us as he is playing for Newcastle.

If he came back would we want him to be a striker or midfielder though?

I think Fergyscum ruined him by traying to turn him into a midfielder.
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6th August 2009 - 08:58 AM
Oh dear, what will the good folk of WACCOE be thinking of this board, other than its being dying on its arse, i say, if you want reasonable debate this is the place(albeit you will have to wait a week for a reply), if you want moronic thumping on chests, and lets all have one opinion or else, then the dark side is the place for you... Anyhow on the Smith debate, i tend to agree, that the club is at least testing the water with regards to a return, i suppose he could do a job at this level, though tongue in cheek(wahey missus)i like the Garlic quote, BUT that was then, wouldnt be too down hearted if Smith did re-sign, perhaps Sav had the forsight all those years back, maybe Smith is gonna be the saviour?
He's NOT the Messiah, He's a very naughty boy!!
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I thought it was common knowledge that Man U were the only ones prepared to pay up? Personally I've never had a problem with him going there, any footballer worth his salt wants to play and win at the highest level and playing for Man U gives them the best chance.

A lad in our North East office played 5-a-side with a team from BBC Newcastle this week and one told him that the Barcodes were hours away from Administration but then SBR died and they delayed it?????? Possible?????? Maybe it will still happen.

Also Ashley is pocketing all incoming transfer money to try and recover some of the millions he will lose when he finally sells up.
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i must've dreamt it, but i seem to be the only person person whose failing memory tells me that other clubs put in higher (alleged) offers for smith, but he stated that the only club he wanted to go to was scum, hence cheque books were put away. If I'm wrong on this then i appologise to Mr Smith and would welcome him back, if i'm not wrong then fuck him!!
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7th August 2009 - 06:56 PM
i must've dreamt it, but i seem to be the only person person whose failing memory tells me that other clubs put in higher (alleged) offers for smith, but he stated that the only club he wanted to go to was scum, hence cheque books were put away. If I'm wrong on this then i appologise to Mr Smith and would welcome him back, if i'm not wrong then fuck him!!
Higher offers may have been on the table BUT Man U's offer was the highest in full offer on the table.

Amount of money we were losing each day meant we needed all the money up front.
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i must've dreamt it, but i seem to be the only person person whose failing memory tells me that other clubs put in higher (alleged) offers for smith, but he stated that the only club he wanted to go to was scum, hence cheque books were put away. If I'm wrong on this then i appologise to Mr Smith and would welcome him back, if i'm not wrong then fuck him!!
Higher offers may have been on the table BUT Man U's offer was the highest in full offer on the table.

Amount of money we were losing each day meant we needed all the money up front.
Cashflow was crucial at the time and the scummers were offering the best short-term fix.

If Smith did come back most fans would soon forgive him if he banged in a few goals.
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5th August 2009 - 01:31 PM
I was never in the hate camp. Life's too short.

Yes, he left to join Man Utd but he forgave his loyalty bonus and joined the club that were willing to pay the most for him which we desperately needed at the time.

I wouldn't mind him back in the right circumstances but I doubt he will come unless Newcastle stump up a chunk of his wages for the rest of his contract in a Ridsdale style.
Please, 305, loyalty bonus for what exactly? Not seeing out his contract because he wasn't a championship player? Big fucking myth put out to martyr him and ignore the fct he wouldn't encourage anyone else to get into an auction for him, and get his price up. he can fucking rot with the cartoons, that wanker. I rate him as highly as K*w*ll, Jord*n and McQu**n. All of them See you next Tuesdays.

Just saw Matt's answer. Remember Matt, how quickly that transfer was done - he killed off all interest when Red nose came honking - He didn't give a shite how and when we got our money as long as he kept his international place and proved his worth as a PL striker. Plus the same tit of a player that was "disappointed" not to get a pay rise, even though we were selling the tea ladies into the Hong Kong Sex trade at the time. Not the sharpest implement in the tool box.
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i'm in the so what big deal camp.

so what he went to scum....lorimer may be right, he may just be talking shite,.

if smith was any good i'd have him back. but he's too expensive and too shit.

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I was never in the hate camp. Life's too short.

Yes, he left to join Man Utd but he forgave his loyalty bonus and joined the club that were willing to pay the most for him which we desperately needed at the time.

I wouldn't mind him back in the right circumstances but I doubt he will come unless Newcastle stump up a chunk of his wages for the rest of his contract in
He had a "loyalty" bonus in his contract that we were obliged to pay him, he didn't take it. surely even the biggest Smith detractor would see that's a good thing? or are you saying it was a lie in the first place?

Who's to say as soon as the offer came in Smith was told about it and he saw that it was the highest offer, saw we'd get the money up front and saw it as the best deal therefore told the rest to go away?

So what if he wanted to play in the prem and win things? or earn as much as he could in his career? or keep his international place?

If it had been any other player or club would you have the same reaction? we needed the money, he went, we got money. if you believe we didn't get the highest amount then ok, i haven't got proof other than the my mum knows his mum kind, and it doesn't really matter. even if we'd sold him for nothing, the £40k a week he was supposed to be on would have been enough reason to get shut.

last thing, even if your company was going down the pan, wouldn't you be disappointed that you didn't get a pay rise? i know the money involved is much higher in football but it's still the same principle when you re-negotiate.
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I was never in the hate camp. Life's too short.

Yes, he left to join Man Utd but he forgave his loyalty bonus and joined the club that were willing to pay the most for him which we desperately needed at the time.

I wouldn't mind him back in the right circumstances but I doubt he will come unless Newcastle stump up a chunk of his wages for the rest of his contract in
He had a "loyalty" bonus in his contract that we were obliged to pay him, he didn't take it. surely even the biggest Smith detractor would see that's a good thing? or are you saying it was a lie in the first place?

Who's to say as soon as the offer came in Smith was told about it and he saw that it was the highest offer, saw we'd get the money up front and saw it as the best deal therefore told the rest to go away?

So what if he wanted to play in the prem and win things? or earn as much as he could in his career? or keep his international place?

If it had been any other player or club would you have the same reaction? we needed the money, he went, we got money. if you believe we didn't get the highest amount then ok, i haven't got proof other than the my mum knows his mum kind, and it doesn't really matter. even if we'd sold him for nothing, the £40k a week he was supposed to be on would have been enough reason to get shut.

last thing, even if your company was going down the pan, wouldn't you be disappointed that you didn't get a pay rise? i know the money involved is much higher in football but it's still the same principle when you re-negotiate.
A loyalty bonus for what exactly? Saying he couldn't stay at the club? Where the fuck is the loyalty there, as a matter of interest? We are only obliged to pay the loyalty bonus, if
1) the player sees out the contract or
2) The club sell the player when he hasn't demanded a move.

To agree that Smith was due any type of loyalty bonus is falling for the tripe that he put out at the time. He said on TV he couldn't play for the club. Discussion ends there for me. My reaction for any Leeds player going to Scum is normally bad enough, but a local lad who said he'd never play for them, and then couldn't get over there fast enough? An even bigger C-U-N-T than J*rdan and McQu**n.

And seeing as we are in much the same boat now in this country as Leeds were then, no, you don't expect a pay raise while the company is struggling to stay afloat. The only ones that don't understand that in this country seem to be civil servants, funnily enough........
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The over ridding fact here is that Scum were putting up the highest immediate amount of molar which the club desperately needed

To hate someone because of supposition and rumour is not for me
And frankly even if some of it were proved right I still couldn't hate the lad but that's just me
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The over ridding fact here is that Scum were putting up the highest immediate amount of molar which the club desperately needed

To hate someone because of supposition and rumour is not for me
And frankly even if some of it were proved right I still couldn't hate the lad but that's just me
Fairy tales were put out by the Sm*th camp, seems to me, BR. Forgoing a "loyalty" bonues, when he wasn't due one. Then people saying it got us the best deal available. We will never know what the best deal was, because despite interest from Barcodes, Everton and a couple of European clubs, everything was off the table when Red Nose came a-whingeing. We were basically stuck with the lesser of two evils: sell the blue lipped twat to the only club he will go to, or keep the dipshit on, at €40K per week. Is it not obvious that by him declaring his interest in going to Old Toilet, the club were held to ransom and were lucky to get even £6M? Makes me shudder to think how little we'd have got for Plug if he had played the same game.
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oh it did work.

i put loyalty in speech marks because although he wasn't loyal he was still owed it in the terms of his contract.

interest you say from barcodes, everton and a couple of european clubs - who's to say that they were interested?

I don't like the fact he went to them but at the same time we are not to know who actually put a bid in for him or not are we?

fairy tales were put out by the smith camp, but who's to say that fairy tales weren't put out by the club saying more people were interested when they weren't? or that the only club interested was man u?

you admit we won't know the best deal, but we also will never know if it was the only deal or not. it does, and can work both ways....
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17th August 2009 - 06:37 PM
oh it did work.

i put loyalty in speech marks because although he wasn't loyal he was still owed it in the terms of his contract.

interest you say from barcodes, everton and a couple of european clubs - who's to say that they were interested?

I don't like the fact he went to them but at the same time we are not to know who actually put a bid in for him or not are we?

fairy tales were put out by the smith camp, but who's to say that fairy tales weren't put out by the club saying more people were interested when they weren't? or that the only club interested was man u?

you admit we won't know the best deal, but we also will never know if it was the only deal or not. it does, and can work both ways....
And do you think the club would have paid him something he wasn't entitled to? Bollox. It suited them all, He "let them keep it", they didn't have to get into a big debate about refusing to pay it. I still can't see how you figure he would be entitled to a loyalty bonus due to the two points I made in the last post, i.e. we didn't put him up for sale against his wishes, and he didn't complete his contract. Was one of the Europeans not Valencia, and he talked about it himself? prior to Red nose's influence of course. Again, the point being, that because it was done and dusted the minute Scum's interest was there, he declared he wouldn't go anywhere else, and then there was no point accepting bids from anyone else. A bit liek the K*w*ll situation. Anyway, we seem to be going round in circles, and should sort it out the WACCOE way - around the back of the bike sheds, and I'll kick your f**king head in...... :lolanimate:
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oh it did work.

i put loyalty in speech marks because although he wasn't loyal he was still owed it in the terms of his contract.

interest you say from barcodes, everton and a couple of european clubs - who's to say that they were interested?

I don't like the fact he went to them but at the same time we are not to know who actually put a bid in for him or not are we?

fairy tales were put out by the smith camp, but who's to say that fairy tales weren't put out by the club saying more people were interested when they weren't? or that the only club interested was man u?

you admit we won't know the best deal, but we also will never know if it was the only deal or not. it does, and can work both ways....
And do you think the club would have paid him something he wasn't entitled to? Bollox. It suited them all, He "let them keep it", they didn't have to get into a big debate about refusing to pay it. I still can't see how you figure he would be entitled to a loyalty bonus due to the two points I made in the last post, i.e. we didn't put him up for sale against his wishes, and he didn't complete his contract. Was one of the Europeans not Valencia, and he talked about it himself? prior to Red nose's influence of course. Again, the point being, that because it was done and dusted the minute Scum's interest was there, he declared he wouldn't go anywhere else, and then there was no point accepting bids from anyone else. A bit liek the K*w*ll situation. Anyway, we seem to be going round in circles, and should sort it out the WACCOE way - around the back of the bike sheds, and I'll kick your f**king head in...... :lolanimate:
I think i'm being misunderstood, ala MDF and KD4x458905635689043

He wasn't loyal, he shouldn't have been paid a "loyalty" bonus, he is a cocknosed idiot for going to them.

He was entitled to the "loyalty" payment (i don't like the term but that's what it was called) under the terms of his contract. He waived it, gave it to us, didn't have one in the first place but tried to make good with the fans by saying he wouldn't take it.

What i'm saying is i don't think he was loyal but due to the financial shit we were in all parties were spreading crap to make them all look good. In the end as we all know no-one looks/looked good. Least of all Smith who went to Man U to further his England career and merely succeeded in ending it that much sooner.

Valencia? Maybe, but who's to know what the bid was? Man U put up £6m (?) in full, i don't know, you don't know and i doubt anyone but Smith, his agent and the board know who else put in a bid. If anyone.

It's like on wackoff where everyone who hates Bates says there were other potential buyers but no-one can prove who they were.... and the bates lovers who can't prove he was the only one who put a bid in too....

no proof = no finality to this crap...

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Alan Smith went for the money like all good footballers.

I still rate him, he looks very classy at the moment in midfield.

He may come back in a couple of years, who knows?

Bates can't afford him and won't buckle. Anyway, the sooner Bates finds a decent buyer for our beloved club the better, otherwise it's gonna be a difficult journey over the next few seasons. Money talks in football!

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p.s I loved the BBC links for the game and that girl who fell over at the walsall game is well funny!
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