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MP's Expenses; Rant
Topic Started: 14th May 2009 - 05:02 AM (295 Views)
Delhi White
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Been following this one for quite a while now and have just read something I just don't believe which shows how corrupt these people can be:

Point 1

Everyone claims for expenses across industry. No problem with that nor no problem with MP's claiming. If they can get away with it then the system is at fault and they are just shown to be greedy and self gratifying (when you think a lot of MPs are Lawyers then that is not surprising also)

Point 2

Buying a house is a big thing

Point 3

When you pay off your mortgage you are told in writing by the bank/bs that holds your account and they direct debit nothing from your account

Point 4

WHY HAS THAT TWAT CLAIMED 18 MONTHS OF MORTGAGE BACK. YOU CAN'T TELL ME HE DIDN'T NOTICE £800 A MONTH EXTRA IN THE BANK. THEY GET PAID LESS THAN ME AND I WOULD NOTICE 20 QUID EXTRA
A MONTH. THAT IS TOTAL AND UTTER BOLLOCKS AND HE SHOULD BE JAILED. FRAUD - NO OTHER WORD FOR IT.

'DISTRAUGHT AND HEARTBROKEN'??

IT'S US PAYING FOR THAT -

TOSSER.
Edited by Delhi White, 14th May 2009 - 10:32 AM.
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I've only seen this headline, didn't bother reading it as am getting bored with the story.

As you describe it here - it definitely sounds like fraud and should be treated as a criminal act.

On the broader storey, I am with Stephen Fry when he says that the issue of expences has got completely out of hand and is not really that important. The amount of tax payers money wasted in this sphere is miniscule compared to the billions that government spend/waste on health/education and the morally corrupt illegal war.

Expences should be administrated independently from any party and treated like they are in business - mistakes happen, and when they do they are paid back. When they repeatedly happen - disipliniary action should be taken. Serious deliberate abuse of the system should be treated as fraud/theft.

Edit: the link to Stephen Fry's comments - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/8045869.stm
Edited by spud, 14th May 2009 - 10:06 AM.
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I read Stephen Fry's comments and he made a lot of interesting points

However the problem I have with a lot of what has been coming out via the Telegraph is, that even if a lot of these claims are within the rules, we all know what is reasonable and what is not.
The rules were made when MP's impossed their own limit by making reasonable claims.
Many of these claims such as flipping your second home are deliberatley done to milk the system.
No one can claim that they didn't realise they were claiming for a mortgage they have already paid off!!
It is fraud

What are they going to do in the future with benefit cheats etc do they just have to claim it was a mistake...complete bollox!!
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Delhi White
14th May 2009 - 05:02 AM
Been following this one for quite a while now and have just read something I just don't believe which shows how corrupt these people can be:

Point 1

Everyone claims for expenses across industry. No problem with that nor no problem with MP's claiming. If they can get away with it then the system is at fault and they are just shown to be greedy and self gratifying (when you think a lot of MPs are Lawyers then that is not surprising also)

Point 2

Buying a house is a big thing

Point 3

When you pay off your mortgage you are told in writing by the bank/bs that holds your account and they direct debit nothing from your account

Point 4

WHY HAS THAT TWAT CLAIMED 18 MONTHS OF MORTGAGE BACK. YOU CAN'T TELL ME HE DIDN'T NOTICE £800 A MONTH EXTRA IN THE BANK. THEY GET PAID LESS THAN ME AND I WOULD NOTICE 20 QUID EXTRA
A MONTH. THAT IS TOTAL AND UTTER BOLLOCKS AND HE SHOULD BE JAILED. FRAUD - NO OTHER WORD FOR IT.

'DISTRAUGHT AND HEARTBROKEN'??

IT'S US PAYING FOR THAT -

TOSSER.
Less of the lawyer bashing.......we are not all like the lawyers on Eastenders & Corrie you know.
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I agree that more money is wasted in other areas but feel that those entrusted by the public to use their money ie tax, should be above robbing it via claiming for expenses that they have not incurred plus if i have to live away from home for my job i have to pay the money outta my own pocket so why should it be any different for them????
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14th May 2009 - 01:54 PM
Delhi White
14th May 2009 - 05:02 AM
Been following this one for quite a while now and have just read something I just don't believe which shows how corrupt these people can be:

Point 1

Everyone claims for expenses across industry. No problem with that nor no problem with MP's claiming. If they can get away with it then the system is at fault and they are just shown to be greedy and self gratifying (when you think a lot of MPs are Lawyers then that is not surprising also)

Point 2

Buying a house is a big thing

Point 3

When you pay off your mortgage you are told in writing by the bank/bs that holds your account and they direct debit nothing from your account

Point 4

WHY HAS THAT TWAT CLAIMED 18 MONTHS OF MORTGAGE BACK. YOU CAN'T TELL ME HE DIDN'T NOTICE £800 A MONTH EXTRA IN THE BANK. THEY GET PAID LESS THAN ME AND I WOULD NOTICE 20 QUID EXTRA
A MONTH. THAT IS TOTAL AND UTTER BOLLOCKS AND HE SHOULD BE JAILED. FRAUD - NO OTHER WORD FOR IT.

'DISTRAUGHT AND HEARTBROKEN'??

IT'S US PAYING FOR THAT -

TOSSER.
Less of the lawyer bashing.......we are not all like the lawyers on Eastenders & Corrie you know.
Ok Ok, not all of them. Just 95% of them. I've had too many experinces with them on personal and corporate level.

Tarnished for life.
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I do this expenses thing is completely out of hand, and admire those MPs who have held their hands up and given money back. Yes, its a small stone in a big pond but hopefully those ripples will filter out to greater impact.
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Someone made a good point "if they can't be trusted to make honest expense claims, how can they be trusted to run the country" - and they should be held to account on this, but I think its wrong that claiming excessive expences is getting so much airtime, when thousands of people are dying because of other deceitful actions of these same politicians.
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I agree that this matter has taken on hell of a lot of Media attention, above many more important matters.

But what worries me is that what started off as a minor leak about one MP's expenses was just a tip of the Iceburg. The revelation is unbeleivable. Many people have said that the amounts mentioned are peanuts or words to that affect. But there is a famous saying if you cannot look after the pennies how are you going to look after the Pounds ??? On that basis I am glad that this has come out and all credit to some MP's for saying they will pay back the dosh. Hopefully this could also lead to some rule changes.

But one thing still pzzeles me, the expenses the MP's are allowed for a 2nd Home/House. I mean they are paid a salary for being a MP. Just like all ordinary working people. If I could not find work in London and found a job in say Glasgow. Would my company pay me extra money to run 2 places. I don't think so. I will have to fork out for a B&B in glasgow while maintaining my main house in London. Unless ofcourse I decide to relocate to glasgow. On the same basis why should MP's be different. Lets face it their salaries are not so low that they cannot afford to do this.
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...but if you were expected to work in Glasgow a few days a week and London a few days - you would expect to get travel and accomodation expences, right?

And their salaries may seem high to the mere working classes like us - but they are nothing compared to what most of them could be earning if they were in the real world.

The fact that they are allowed to claim expences is not the problem, the management of the system is. Every claim should be audited at the point of submission, and people who (repeatedly) make dubious claims should be disiplined - just how it is in the business world.
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15th May 2009 - 01:17 PM
...but if you were expected to work in Glasgow a few days a week and London a few days - you would expect to get travel and accomodation expences, right?

And their salaries may seem high to the mere working classes like us - but they are nothing compared to what most of them could be earning if they were in the real world.

The fact that they are allowed to claim expences is not the problem, the management of the system is. Every claim should be audited at the point of submission, and people who (repeatedly) make dubious claims should be disiplined - just how it is in the business world.
Agree entirely. My rant was not about expenses per se but about one fucker who claims 18 grand after his house is paid off. That is criminal, it is fraud and you and me would go to jail. So what about it CPS?
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