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Case foe use of TV Footage; After the game
Topic Started: 29th April 2009 - 01:47 PM (661 Views)
aksattee
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After watching the Manure & Spuds game last weekend.

Is it not time for FA to start using the TV footage after the game to Clean the game out a little.
I know you cannot change the outcome of the game. But surely a blatent Dive dserve some sort of punishment to the player. And possibly a fine for the Team as well. Soat least the Players and Teams will not get away scot Free. At the same time some sort of Punishment for the referee as well for his performance or lack of it.
I am sure we have discussed this before but felt a little more debate won't go a miss. Specially how the game was totally transformed from a lost cause to a Rampant win.
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I'd say Thierry Henry and Barca might agree after the game last night. I thought last week's penalty awarded to scum was terrible for England's so-called "best referee". How he thought Carrick kicked it 90 degrees is mystifying, unless he thought he was toblerone boots reincarnated.
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I agree that video should be used for diving and the player should get banned for 1 or more games. Then the managers/coaches would put a stop to it.
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29th April 2009 - 03:13 PM
I'd say Thierry Henry and Barca might agree after the game last night. I thought last week's penalty awarded to scum was terrible for England's so-called "best referee". How he thought Carrick kicked it 90 degrees is mystifying, unless he thought he was toblerone boots reincarnated.
There was no sign of toblerone boots when he played agin us at Wembley !!!
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29th April 2009 - 05:27 PM
I agree that video should be used for diving and the player should get banned for 1 or more games. Then the managers/coaches would put a stop to it.
Ronaldo would only play every other game then :lolanimate:
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I agree that video should be used for diving and the player should get banned for 1 or more games. Then the managers/coaches would put a stop to it.
Ronaldo would only play every other game then :lolanimate:
Aye and Drogba one in four....
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The player that needs to be called up on his diving (as well as many other things) is Gerrard. He is one of the worst around, yet because he is everyone's butt monkey nothing is said about it.
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I agree with the statement but I don't think Carrick actually dived so it's unfair to drag him into this.

As far as I can see all players dive at some point but others (Ronaldo, Drogba, Owen, Gerrard, Eboue) are far better more likely to go to ground when it's not required. The issue I have is that sometimes it does look like a dive but it isn't. That being said, I'd rather see a few people mistakenly banned for a game than all this nonsense we're seeing now.

Ronaldo last night on the edge of Arsenal's area being a case in point - he wasn't touched and he was battering the ground and mincing around like KD4 after a session on the Panda Pops!

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30th April 2009 - 09:17 AM
I agree with the statement but I don't think Carrick actually dived so it's unfair to drag him into this.

As far as I can see all players dive at some point but others (Ronaldo, Drogba, Owen, Gerrard, Eboue) are far better more likely to go to ground when it's not required. The issue I have is that sometimes it does look like a dive but it isn't. That being said, I'd rather see a few people mistakenly banned for a game than all this nonsense we're seeing now.

Ronaldo last night on the edge of Arsenal's area being a case in point - he wasn't touched and he was battering the ground and mincing around like KD4 after a session on the Panda Pops!

I've read back through it, RHS, and I can't see anywhere that anyone suggested Carrick dived? The Ronaldo/KD4 simile is very graphic, and frighteningly apt, I must say.

Edit to say: I've read back through it, and AKS may have made the suggestion.
Edited by Fitz, 30th April 2009 - 10:01 AM.
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IMO, if this is to be introduced it has to be for the international community, or at least the european one. The diving/cheating/did the ball go over the line issue needs to be tackled from a wider perspective, otherwise, the english game would be susceptible to cheats when we play euro games at a club level and international games.
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30th April 2009 - 11:06 AM
IMO, if this is to be introduced it has to be for the international community, or at least the european one. The diving/cheating/did the ball go over the line issue needs to be tackled from a wider perspective, otherwise, the english game would be susceptible to cheats when we play euro games at a club level and international games.
I agree it would have to at least cover europe but the World Cup would be a good place to start

I also don't understand why they aren't mounting cameras inside the crossbar and goal posts for views of the goal line and outside of the posts showing the deadball line to the corner flag.

A camera showing a view from the crossbar to the centre circle would be intersting for televised games

If you had the guys that produce the coverage for the Austrailian Touring Cars they'd have a camera mounted on the ref's red card!
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30th April 2009 - 12:57 PM
A camera showing a view from the crossbar to the centre circle would be intersting for televised games

If you had the guys that produce the coverage for the Austrailian Touring Cars they'd have a camera mounted on the ref's red card!
And Boot camera's.....That would be good


I think part of the problem is that diving is so widely accepted in the world of football now. You get the pundits on sky etc making excuses for players who dive, or saying that "he was clipped" even when you can blatantly see on the replays that he was not touched.

Sod introducing technology to spot these things...I say just make fouls legal. if you are not strong enough to stay on your feet against another players contact, then tough shit, work out a bit.

it would make for some VERY interesting games....
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30th April 2009 - 01:10 PM
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A camera showing a view from the crossbar to the centre circle would be intersting for televised games

If you had the guys that produce the coverage for the Austrailian Touring Cars they'd have a camera mounted on the ref's red card!
And Boot camera's.....That would be good


I think part of the problem is that diving is so widely accepted in the world of football now. You get the pundits on sky etc making excuses for players who dive, or saying that "he was clipped" even when you can blatantly see on the replays that he was not touched.

Sod introducing technology to spot these things...I say just make fouls legal. if you are not strong enough to stay on your feet against another players contact, then tough shit, work out a bit.

it would make for some VERY interesting games....
I like that idea. It is similar to my "If a player shields the ball to let it roll out for a goal kick you are allowed to kick him in the nadgers" rule.
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ps. It should be noted that if Ronaldo had done that in a premiership game he would have got a free kick.
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30th April 2009 - 09:59 AM
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30th April 2009 - 09:17 AM
I agree with the statement but I don't think Carrick actually dived so it's unfair to drag him into this.

As far as I can see all players dive at some point but others (Ronaldo, Drogba, Owen, Gerrard, Eboue) are far better more likely to go to ground when it's not required. The issue I have is that sometimes it does look like a dive but it isn't. That being said, I'd rather see a few people mistakenly banned for a game than all this nonsense we're seeing now.

Ronaldo last night on the edge of Arsenal's area being a case in point - he wasn't touched and he was battering the ground and mincing around like KD4 after a session on the Panda Pops!

I've read back through it, RHS, and I can't see anywhere that anyone suggested Carrick dived? The Ronaldo/KD4 simile is very graphic, and frighteningly apt, I must say.

Edit to say: I've read back through it, and AKS may have made the suggestion.
OK I accept it may not have been a Out and Out Dive. But the way I saw it was, the Keeper got the touch to the Ball but never really made a contact with Carrick. But as Carrick was falling, you could clearly see him trying to bring his leg down to drag it on the keep to make the contact. Yet he still did not make the contact. So in my opinion he went down and Tried to blame the Keeper.
Keeping in mind the situation the game was in, The ref could easily have Red Carded the keeper for the Non existant Foul. That would have killed the game.
Its beside the point that Spuds went to peices after the Panelty.
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30th April 2009 - 01:59 PM
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I agree with the statement but I don't think Carrick actually dived so it's unfair to drag him into this.

As far as I can see all players dive at some point but others (Ronaldo, Drogba, Owen, Gerrard, Eboue) are far better more likely to go to ground when it's not required. The issue I have is that sometimes it does look like a dive but it isn't. That being said, I'd rather see a few people mistakenly banned for a game than all this nonsense we're seeing now.

Ronaldo last night on the edge of Arsenal's area being a case in point - he wasn't touched and he was battering the ground and mincing around like KD4 after a session on the Panda Pops!

I've read back through it, RHS, and I can't see anywhere that anyone suggested Carrick dived? The Ronaldo/KD4 simile is very graphic, and frighteningly apt, I must say.

Edit to say: I've read back through it, and AKS may have made the suggestion.
OK I accept it may not have been a Out and Out Dive. But the way I saw it was, the Keeper got the touch to the Ball but never really made a contact with Carrick. But as Carrick was falling, you could clearly see him trying to bring his leg down to drag it on the keep to make the contact. Yet he still did not make the contact. So in my opinion he went down and Tried to blame the Keeper.
Keeping in mind the situation the game was in, The ref could easily have Red Carded the keeper for the Non existant Foul. That would have killed the game.
Its beside the point that Spuds went to peices after the Panelty.
I agree AKS

But players are now coached to do this...

So until it's punished properly (and video evidence would seem to be a good solution) players will continue to look for the contact

I think the game would be much better

I also think using the obstruction law properly to stop players shielding the ball out would be welcome too
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I agree that tv replys should be used for more than they are now AND they should be able to revisit things that the referee has already judged on (and got wrong).

This would mean that Beckford would still have got his ban for elbowing the 'keeper, but there wouldn't have been the farce of league/fa/ref making up the 'pushing incident' excuse for being able to revisit it.

As for dives - it would be hard even with replys to catagorically state that it was a dive - but where it can - there should definitely be consequences.

I'm also in favour of the fourth official having access to tv replays (including from goal mounted camera's if possible) and for him to be able say 'Hang-on a min, that didn't look right' and for him to have, say, 30 seconds to review it.
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30th April 2009 - 02:09 PM
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I agree with the statement but I don't think Carrick actually dived so it's unfair to drag him into this.

As far as I can see all players dive at some point but others (Ronaldo, Drogba, Owen, Gerrard, Eboue) are far better more likely to go to ground when it's not required. The issue I have is that sometimes it does look like a dive but it isn't. That being said, I'd rather see a few people mistakenly banned for a game than all this nonsense we're seeing now.

Ronaldo last night on the edge of Arsenal's area being a case in point - he wasn't touched and he was battering the ground and mincing around like KD4 after a session on the Panda Pops!

I've read back through it, RHS, and I can't see anywhere that anyone suggested Carrick dived? The Ronaldo/KD4 simile is very graphic, and frighteningly apt, I must say.

Edit to say: I've read back through it, and AKS may have made the suggestion.
OK I accept it may not have been a Out and Out Dive. But the way I saw it was, the Keeper got the touch to the Ball but never really made a contact with Carrick. But as Carrick was falling, you could clearly see him trying to bring his leg down to drag it on the keep to make the contact. Yet he still did not make the contact. So in my opinion he went down and Tried to blame the Keeper.
Keeping in mind the situation the game was in, The ref could easily have Red Carded the keeper for the Non existant Foul. That would have killed the game.
Its beside the point that Spuds went to peices after the Panelty.
I agree AKS

But players are now coached to do this...

So until it's punished properly (and video evidence would seem to be a good solution) players will continue to look for the contact

I think the game would be much better

I also think using the obstruction law properly to stop players shielding the ball out would be welcome too
Yes, it would improve the game.
Unfortunately as someone mentioned it will have to be brought in across Europe as there are too many games being played across many countries by clubs these days.
Not sure if this should have a Trial in a Major competition like Worls Cup or like that.
May be it should be started at lower devisions in one season and then brought through.
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I think this technology is long overdue. I also think the ref should be able to impose a '2 minute-challenge' to any player found cheating/diving.

Make them eat a bulls penis or stick their head in a glass tank full of venomous spiders (or my farts). If they fail the challenge then its a straight red

Bit like soccer meets Fear Factor.

Its got to be a winner.
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30th April 2009 - 03:13 PM
I think this technology is long overdue. I also think the ref should be able to impose a '2 minute-challenge' to any player found cheating/diving.

Make them eat a bulls penis or stick their head in a glass tank full of venomous spiders (or my farts). If they fail the challenge then its a straight red

Bit like soccer meets Fear Factor.

Its got to be a winner.
I'd watch that.....apart from you filling the tank, obviously.....
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I've been saying to Col for ages that they should be reviewing games for dives. If they can use footage to rescind red cards, surely theycan use it to impose punishments too.
I'd also like to see a sin bin for some infringements, such as fouls and disrespecting the ref.
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I'm suprised Sky haven't thought of a TV review of games in which a panel of "experts" can decide retrospective desions. Managers can ask for incidents to be looked at and rulings made.
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29th April 2009 - 08:01 PM
The player that needs to be called up on his diving (as well as many other things) is Gerrard. He is one of the worst around, yet because he is everyone's butt monkey nothing is said about it.
Not everyone's butt monkey. For eaxample, my butt monkey is you.
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Goal line technology is long over-due and if players were aware that their diving would be reviewed straight after by the fourth official they'd soon stop.
Persistant offenders should have a toe cut off each time until they get the hint.
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