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Topic Started: 1st May 2008 - 08:36 PM (796 Views)
Matt
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Wickywhite
May 2 2008, 12:52 PM
Bates out... to be replaced whith who exactly? Seb Sainsbury?

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Matt
May 2 2008, 12:55 PM
No Sheikh Anvac

He will put the freshness back.
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cuppy
May 2 2008, 10:46 AM
Geez some of you are just never happy!! Do people realise that we do actually still have a club, and that we started the season minus 15 points and have a guarneteed play off spot? Take Bates away and we wouldnt have any of it

Yes and without Bates we would not have had the 15 point penalty to start the season. He did the best he could to climb out of a hole he dug

If he relegated us to Div 2 many would praise him the following season for getting us out of it and so on...

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May 2 2008, 01:26 PM
Yes and without Bates we would not have had the 15 point penalty to start the season. He did the best he could to climb out of a hole he dug

If he relegated us to Div 2 many would praise him the following season for getting us out of it and so on...

FFS


Which would you prefer?

Being promoted from League 2

or being promoted from League 1?

Are you honestly saying Bates should have accepted the original punishment??
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May 2 2008, 01:26 PM
Yes and without Bates we would not have had the 15 point penalty to start the season. He did the best he could to climb out of a hole he dug

If he relegated us to Div 2 many would praise him the following season for getting us out of it and so on...

Without Bates we would have NO club to have had 15 points deducted or not!!! I repeat, we still HAVE a club, we ARE in the play offs and that would not be the case without Bates!!
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May 2 2008, 12:38 PM
The Axe
May 2 2008, 01:26 PM
Yes and without Bates we would not have had the 15 point penalty to start the season. He did the best he could to climb out of a hole he dug

If he relegated us to Div 2 many would praise him the following season for getting us out of it and so on...

Without Bates we would have NO club to have had 15 points deducted or not!!! I repeat, we still HAVE a club, we ARE in the play offs and that would not be the case without Bates!!

How do we know this? Because Bates says so?

There is no point arguing this. We never will know what happened when the club was sold. I believe there were other interested parties at the time. Fuck knows how or why Bates got in there first, but he did.

Fact is he guided us to the lowest position in the clubs history. His "irregular" attempts to put us in admin resulted in us being docked 15 points. He threatened to put the club under. He does not have the teams best interests at heart
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Football is riddled with crooks but some are more crooked/clever than others.
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Bates was the only person to step in with hard cash when the only assets the club had was the remains of a team and the fans. For that reason he retains my support.
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Matt
May 2 2008, 12:30 PM
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May 2 2008, 01:26 PM
Yes and without Bates we would not have had the 15 point penalty to start the season. He did the best he could to climb out of a hole he dug

If he relegated us to Div 2 many would praise him the following season for getting us out of it and so on...

FFS


Which would you prefer?

Being promoted from League 2

or being promoted from League 1?

Are you honestly saying Bates should have accepted the original punishment??

I am not saying he should have taken the original punishment but my point is that there would be no discussion of -15 points if it wasnt for the old oops rude words dodgy ways
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The Axe
May 2 2008, 01:43 PM
cuppy
May 2 2008, 12:38 PM
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May 2 2008, 01:26 PM
Yes and without Bates we would not have had the 15 point penalty to start the season. He did the best he could to climb out of a hole he dug

If he relegated us to Div 2 many would praise him the following season for getting us out of it and so on...

Without Bates we would have NO club to have had 15 points deducted or not!!! I repeat, we still HAVE a club, we ARE in the play offs and that would not be the case without Bates!!

How do we know this? Because Bates says so?

There is no point arguing this. We never will know what happened when the club was sold. I believe there were other interested parties at the time. Fuck knows how or why Bates got in there first, but he did.

Fact is he guided us to the lowest position in the clubs history. His "irregular" attempts to put us in admin resulted in us being docked 15 points. He threatened to put the club under. He does not have the teams best interests at heart

Oh dear god!!

Have you read the arbitration ruling?
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The Axe
May 2 2008, 01:46 PM
Matt
May 2 2008, 12:30 PM
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May 2 2008, 01:26 PM
Yes and without Bates we would not have had the 15 point penalty to start the season. He did the best he could to climb out of a hole he dug

If he relegated us to Div 2 many would praise him the following season for getting us out of it and so on...

FFS


Which would you prefer?

Being promoted from League 2

or being promoted from League 1?

Are you honestly saying Bates should have accepted the original punishment??

I am not saying he should have taken the original punishment but my point is that there would be no discussion of -15 points if it wasnt for the old oops rude words dodgy ways

Prove it.

The only hard evidence is that Bates bought the club and was the only one to stump up the cash.

You prove to me someone else could do that THEN and ONLY then can you argue that it's down to Bates that we went into admin, despite him not taking the club into admin for 18 months AFTER he bought the club!!!
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May 2 2008, 01:43 PM

How do we know this? Because Bates says so?

There is no point arguing this. We never will know what happened when the club was sold. I believe there were other interested parties at the time. Fuck knows how or why Bates got in there first, but he did.

Fact is he guided us to the lowest position in the clubs history. His "irregular" attempts to put us in admin resulted in us being docked 15 points. He threatened to put the club under. He does not have the teams best interests at heart

What counts in business is the one who actually puts up the money! There was a lot of talk but thats all it was. Bates got the club cos he put his money where his mouth is! Our decline started LONG before Bates arrived, and we all know this. Takes a long time to turn a decrepit broken oil tanker around, the decline was NEVER going to stop over night, and anyone who believed that is a fool. Once again, we are in the Play Offs with a chance of promotion, if you credit bates with taking us to our lowest position in history, then you have to credit him for us reaching the promotion stages whilst starting the season of minus 15 points. Works both ways
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May 2 2008, 12:43 PM
There is no point arguing this. We never will know what happened when the club was sold. I believe there were other interested parties at the time. Fuck knows how or why Bates got in there first, but he did.


Yes mate, there were several interested people or consortia before we went into admin but where were they after?
If any of them, be it Revie Jnr, Simon Morris et al, were serious about buying the club where were they after? why didn't they go to press saying "Ah well, we tried and failed but at least we tried"?
They were nowhere because I believe they didn't genuinely try.
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Matt
May 2 2008, 12:46 PM
Oh dear god!!

Have you read the arbitration ruling?

Dear God enough of the dramatics

Yes I read it and it shows Bates dodgy dealings in respect to the buy back of the club after admin should have resulted in us being in league 2. An agreement was made to be docked 15 and keep us in this division

A long story short if Bates was above board with the admin and buy back process we would not have the 15 docked
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Matt
May 2 2008, 12:48 PM
Prove it.

The only hard evidence is that Bates bought the club and was the only one to stump up the cash.

You prove to me someone else could do that THEN and ONLY then can you argue that it's down to Bates that we went into admin, despite him not taking the club into admin for 18 months AFTER he bought the club!!!

You cant disprove it anymore than I can prove it. All Bates actions are non transparent
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May 2 2008, 01:51 PM
Matt
May 2 2008, 12:46 PM
Oh dear god!!

Have you read the arbitration ruling?

Dear God enough of the dramatics

Yes I read it and it shows Bates dodgy dealings in respect to the buy back of the club after admin should have resulted in us being in league 2. An agreement was made to be docked 15 and keep us in this division

A long story short if Bates was above board with the admin and buy back process we would not have the 15 docked

please answer the question of why did Bates not take Leeds into admin when he first could have then?

If Bates is so dodgy why did he attempt to reduce the debt for 18 months before admin was entered?
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May 2 2008, 01:52 PM
Matt
May 2 2008, 12:48 PM
Prove it.

The only hard evidence is that Bates bought the club and was the only one to stump up the cash.

You prove to me someone else could do that THEN and ONLY then can you argue that it's down to Bates that we went into admin, despite him not taking the club into admin for 18 months AFTER he bought the club!!!

You cant disprove it anymore than I can prove it. All Bates actions are non transparent

I can prove Bates put the cash up.

I can also prove he also put up the most cash up after admin too.
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May 2 2008, 01:55 PM
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May 2 2008, 01:52 PM
Matt
May 2 2008, 12:48 PM
Prove it.

The only hard evidence is that Bates bought the club and was the only one to stump up the cash.

You prove to me someone else could do that THEN and ONLY then can you argue that it's down to Bates that we went into admin, despite him not taking the club into admin for 18 months AFTER he bought the club!!!

You cant disprove it anymore than I can prove it. All Bates actions are non transparent

I can prove Bates put the cash up.

I can also prove he also put up the most cash up after admin too.

p.s. just because i can't disprove that no-one else bid for the club doesn't make your argument any stronger either.
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Think we will have to just agree to disagree on the merit of Kenneth Bates for Leeds United
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May 2 2008, 02:41 PM
Think we will have to just agree to disagree on the merit of Kenneth Bates for Leeds United

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Redbus said they would fund the club, with the proviso that they would get it, lock sock and barrell. Were they not in effect saying the same thing: If Redbus don't get the club, there will be no money to run it in Admin, and it will fold? And lets not even start with Morris. Yes, KB tried the smart route used before, and will be used agains hortly in a couple of cases it seems. Hard to see how he was supposed to service a debt like we have when we were losing £120/140K a week at one stage.
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May 4 2008, 07:40 PM
Redbus said they would fund the club, with the proviso that they would get it, lock sock and barrell. Were they not in effect saying the same thing: If Redbus don't get the club, there will be no money to run it in Admin, and it will fold? And lets not even start with Morris. Yes, KB tried the smart route used before, and will be used agains hortly in a couple of cases it seems. Hard to see how he was supposed to service a debt like we have when we were losing £120/140K a week at one stage.

Perhaps an all expenses paid mid-season trip to Cyprus could be questioned then on such debts...
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May 5 2008, 12:19 AM
Perhaps an all expenses paid mid-season trip to Cyprus could be questioned then on such debts...

Sponsored by an outside company if memory serves.......
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May 5 2008, 12:35 AM
Sponsored by an outside company if memory serves.......

We'll agree to disagree, unfortunately it would seem the current regime had the same 'team building' and 'team strengthening' exercises as we did in the O'Leary/Ridsdale era.
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