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Iraq
Topic Started: 31st January 2008 - 10:25 PM (444 Views)
KATKIT
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cuppy
Feb 7 2008, 08:33 PM
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cuppy,Feb 7 2008
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KATKIT,Feb I do know what Im talking about
all Im saying is that ultimately the Iraqi people will lose more civilians during and after an US invasion. More than a million will die in a civil war when the USl eaves Iraq. [/QUOTE

no, you are guessing that, you don't KNOW that.

Be serious , why do you think the USA isnt withdrawing from Iraq, are seriously stating a country made up of many factions isnt going to decend into a civil war ?
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Feb 7 2008, 08:34 PM
KATKIT
Feb 7 2008, 08:32 PM

I think you will find that if you read my posts Im informed.

Im not stating that Saddam was great for Iraq,but life for the ordinary person is a lot worse now,to suggest otherwise is foolish.

Unless you have been to Iraq personally, lived there both before and after the regime was removed you do not know that. Am sorry but you don't. You are no more informed than any one else is. And to suggest otherwise is foolish

Ive stated I knew a few people from Iraq at University. And its not rocket science to work it out for myself.
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Feb 7 2008, 08:36 PM

Ive stated I knew a few people from Iraq at University. And its not rocket science to work it out for myself.

Knowing a few people from Iraq is NOT you living there and knowing first hand, its no more than reading a newspaper. And believe me, never go into rocket science or we all will be Fcuked
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Feb 7 2008, 08:38 PM
KATKIT
Feb 7 2008, 08:36 PM

Ive stated I knew a few people from Iraq at University. And its not rocket science to work it out for myself.

Knowing a few people from Iraq is NOT you living there and knowing first hand, its no more than reading a newspaper. And believe me, never go into rocket science or we all will be Fcuked

Living in a War zone is not being better off IMO.

Lets agree to disagree.



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KATKIT
Feb 7 2008, 08:40 PM

Living in a War zone is not being better off IMO.

Lets agree to disagree.



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Well you keep coming back to the rebels so you must like it a bit!!
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Feb 7 2008, 08:46 PM
KATKIT
Feb 7 2008, 08:40 PM

Living in a War zone is not being better off IMO.

Lets agree to disagree.



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Well you keep coming back to the rebels so you must like it a bit!!

Yeah its a nice site ,not bitchy like Waccoe,its not like a War Zone :lolanimate:
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Get a room you two......

Regardless of wether or not you think the initial invasion was good or bad, the fact is that it has been done and I truly think that even though the reasons were wrong and despite the deaths that the invasion has caused, you can not turn your back on what was going on in Iraq regardless of the death toll.

The arguements about Somalia, North Korea etc are good ones. yes of course something should be done about what is going on in them countries as well, but just becuase you dont intervene there, it does not mean you should not elsewhere.

Regardless of the reasons, I believe that eventually, the country will be better off. What price do you put on Freedom KATKIT? What is the limit you would pay for Democracy?

Living without democracy and freedom is basically being a slave.

Where would we be if the chaps in WW1 or WW2 had decided that the price they had to pay was too high?? How many died then?

Come on KATKIT, what is your price for Freedom?
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Feb 8 2008, 06:52 PM
Get a room you two......

Regardless of wether or not you think the initial invasion was good or bad, the fact is that it has been done and I truly think that even though the reasons were wrong and despite the deaths that the invasion has caused, you can not turn your back on what was going on in Iraq regardless of the death toll.

The arguements about Somalia, North Korea etc are good ones. yes of course something should be done about what is going on in them countries as well, but just becuase you dont intervene there, it does not mean you should not elsewhere.

Regardless of the reasons, I believe that eventually, the country will be better off. What price do you put on Freedom KATKIT? What is the limit you would pay for Democracy?

Living without democracy and freedom is basically being a slave.

Where would we be if the chaps in WW1 or WW2 had decided that the price they had to pay was too high?? How many died then?

Come on KATKIT, what is your price for Freedom?

I agree with 99% of the above.

Price of freedom ? I think free and fair elections would have been better than invading a sovereign country against the wishes of the UN.

Obviously when Saddam was in power ,free elections were a remote possibility.

Whats you're solution to Iraqs problems.
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KATKIT
Feb 8 2008, 08:04 PM

Obviously when Saddam was in power ,free elections were a remote possibility.

You've lost me. Not quite sure what you mean.

Also, i'm not getting into the war being right or wrong, but the UN were not doing anything to make the situation better at all. Not one damn thing, if there is going to be a UN then they need to show some balls every now and again. They can't just throw another piece of paper at Saddam, it clearly wasn't working.
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Feb 8 2008, 07:04 PM
Obviously when Saddam was in power ,free elections were a remote possibility.

Whats you're solution to Iraqs problems.

Obviously when Saddam was in power ,free elections were a remote possibility.

Are you taking the piss? There was less than Zero chance of free Elections while sadam was in power. Cruel dictators who are guilty of ordering mass murders do not allow free elections.

Whats you're solution to Iraqs problems.

I dont have any solution m8. I dont think anyone does at the moment. I am not a politician. Just someone who believes in freedom whatever the cost.
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Feb 8 2008, 07:04 PM
Sir Quej Of Quejdom
Feb 8 2008, 06:52 PM
Get a room you two......

Regardless of wether or not you think the initial invasion was good or bad, the fact is that it has been done and I truly think that even though the reasons were wrong and despite the deaths that the invasion has caused, you can not turn your back on what was going on in Iraq regardless of the death toll.

The arguements about Somalia, North Korea etc are good ones.  yes of course something should be done about what is going on in them countries as well, but just becuase you dont intervene there, it does not mean you should not elsewhere.

Regardless of the reasons, I believe that eventually, the country will be better off.  What price do you put on Freedom KATKIT?  What is the limit you would pay for Democracy?

Living without democracy and freedom is basically being a slave. 

Where would we be if the chaps in WW1 or WW2 had decided that the price they had to pay was too high??  How many died then?

Come on KATKIT, what is your price for Freedom?

I agree with 99% of the above.

Price of freedom ? I think free and fair elections would have been better than invading a sovereign country against the wishes of the UN.

Obviously when Saddam was in power ,free elections were a remote possibility.

Whats you're solution to Iraqs problems.

You should listen to Quej you know, he fought in both WW1 and 2
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Feb 8 2008, 08:08 PM
KATKIT
Feb 8 2008, 08:04 PM

Obviously when Saddam was in power ,free elections were a remote possibility.

You've lost me. Not quite sure what you mean.

Also, i'm not getting into the war being right or wrong, but the UN were not doing anything to make the situation better at all. Not one damn thing, if there is going to be a UN then they need to show some balls every now and again. They can't just throw another piece of paper at Saddam, it clearly wasn't working.

By remote possibility , I meant no possibility him being a ruthless murdering dictator, in the last election Saddam had he got something like 99% of the vote :lolanimate:

The UN imposed sanction on Iraq in which thousands of Iraqis died because all the cash for Oil was going straight in Saddams bank account. Iraq wanted sanctions lifted before they would fully comply with weapons inspectors.

I agree the UN was ineffective.
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Feb 8 2008, 08:53 PM
You should listen to Quej you know, he fought in both WW1 and 2

You just couldnt resist could you :lolanimate:

I was actually too old for the 2nd one :scarehair:

Anyway, you can shut up. You signed my consent form for WW1.... -_-
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UN is a complete waste of time until they get rid of the permanent member situation. Too much vested interest from the "superpowers".
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Feb 8 2008, 11:29 PM
You just couldnt resist could you :lolanimate:

I was actually too old for the 2nd one :scarehair:

Anyway, you can shut up. You signed my consent form for WW1.... -_-

If I had am pretty sure I wouldnt have consented to anything where you are concerned :lol:
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Feb 6 2008, 07:08 PM
but the problem is the corruption, murderous tribalism, and incompetence.

sounds like limerick on a bad night tbh
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