Legalising drugs.

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Legalising drugs.
Topic Started: 22nd October 2007 - 07:06 PM (235 Views)
Lee D'su	22nd October 2007 - 07:06 PM Post #1
Funniest Poster and Getter of tickets Posts: 29,473 Group: Admin Member #443 Joined: 14 June 2004	Our local cheif of police has stated he would like to see drugs legalised and then we can control the associated crimes. I thought this was barmy, but as I thought about it I began thinking how it could work to suit everyone. I don't agree with giving smackheads their fix for free, as I know must will try and score some more, or sell the methodone on to buy herion. My scheme is for drugs to be earned by doing community jobs. i.e., cleaning the local parks, picking up litter. When they have done the amount of work required then they are given their drugs. No excuses for anyone to say they were shoplifting to feed their habit. The can earn their fix legally. Any dealers caught after should be given a 10 stretch minimum. This will also get druggies into the habit of working for something they require. The amount of drugs can be reduced and replaced with a financial incentive after a while, but the hours worked on the scheme should be increased every month to try and wean them off the drugs. Just an idea, what do people think.



morley white	23rd October 2007 - 07:46 AM Post #2
100% Leeds Posts: 5,330 Group: Members Member #387 Joined: 15 May 2004	in theory i could see this working but i would add some proviso in there that the addict would not be allowed to have contact with thier known associates when they developed thier habit in the first place. I know this sounds a bit draconian but a big part of beating a habit like this is to completely break the cycle of events that the user is living within.



Sir Quej Of Quejdom	24th October 2007 - 10:59 AM Post #3
100% Leeds Posts: 1,611 Group: Members Member #414 Joined: 4 June 2004	That's a great idea...In theory. What you seem to be forgetting is that we are dealing with smack heads here, not small time offenders who "really want to reform". The fact of the matter is that smacking a 96 year old woman int eh face and stealing her purse is easier and quicker than what you are suggesting. Can you really see a smack head who is desperate for a fix thinking to himself "Oh well, only another 4 hours work left before I can score". I agree that Drugs should be legalised. Lets face it, the war on drugs was lost quite some time ago. Herion etc should be sold in clinics, but combined with education and warning after warning after warning. The penalty for unlicenced drug dealing should remain very high. If drugs are readily available, the price would drop significantly and the risk involved with the dealing would far outweigh the reward so dealers would dissapear.



Mugsey	24th October 2007 - 02:17 PM Post #4
100% Leeds Posts: 17,043 Group: Members Member #378 Joined: 11 May 2004	I would eb in favour of it in order to cut out the scum who are profiting from its sales at the minute but aslo to ensure that those who are unfortunate enough to be on drugs are in fact getting what they want and not anything that is mixed with the likes of rat poison etc. the money made should be used to educate youngsters to the ills of drug use and also for drug rehabilitation units even if that does sound paradoxical.



cuppy	24th October 2007 - 03:58 PM Post #5
Friendliest Poster 2006 Posts: 31,374 Group: Moderator Member #23 Joined: 23 November 2003	Am not really sure, if you make them legal it might put my rebel supplier out of business :lol:



Sir Quej Of Quejdom	25th October 2007 - 04:59 PM Post #6
100% Leeds Posts: 1,611 Group: Members Member #414 Joined: 4 June 2004	Mugsey Oct 24 2007, 01:17 PM I would eb in favour of it in order to cut out the scum who are profiting from its sales at the minute but aslo to ensure that those who are unfortunate enough to be on drugs are in fact getting what they want and not anything that is mixed with the likes of rat poison etc. the money made should be used to educate youngsters to the ills of drug use and also for drug rehabilitation units even if that does sound paradoxical. Spot on Mugsey. As I said, legalised licenced selling would drive the dealers out of business and would hopefully eliminate the bad side of drugs. i.e Less crime, safer product, the ability to identify and offer help to the taker, getting the whole thing off the school playground and back streets, another taxable product. The only point i would disagree with you on, is describing the takers as "unfortunate". They know the risks, and the still make the decision. Sorry to anyone who knows someone in the situation but my wife deals with these people all the time and they (the majority anyway) simply do not want to help themselves. They are not "Unfortunate", they are "Guilty".



Mugsey	25th October 2007 - 06:50 PM Post #7
100% Leeds Posts: 17,043 Group: Members Member #378 Joined: 11 May 2004	Sir Quej Of Quejdom Oct 25 2007, 03:59 PM Mugsey Oct 24 2007, 01:17 PM I would eb in favour of it in order to cut out the scum who are profiting from its sales at the minute but aslo to ensure that those who are unfortunate enough to be on drugs are in fact getting what they want and not anything that is mixed with the likes of rat poison etc. the money made should be used to educate youngsters to the ills of drug use and also for drug rehabilitation units even if that does sound paradoxical. Spot on Mugsey. As I said, legalised licenced selling would drive the dealers out of business and would hopefully eliminate the bad side of drugs. i.e Less crime, safer product, the ability to identify and offer help to the taker, getting the whole thing off the school playground and back streets, another taxable product. The only point i would disagree with you on, is describing the takers as "unfortunate". They know the risks, and the still make the decision. Sorry to anyone who knows someone in the situation but my wife deals with these people all the time and they (the majority anyway) simply do not want to help themselves. They are not "Unfortunate", they are "Guilty". fair enough wil take your word for it as your wife has to work with people who have experienced such a life, but i still see them as being unfortunate maybe in terms of being born into certain circumstance whereby such a life ie on drugs is more of a distinct possibility than if they had been born into a different set of circumstances.



morley white	25th October 2007 - 08:13 PM Post #8
100% Leeds Posts: 5,330 Group: Members Member #387 Joined: 15 May 2004	Sir Quej Of Quejdom Oct 25 2007, 04:59 PM Mugsey Oct 24 2007, 01:17 PM I would eb in favour of it in order to cut out the scum who are profiting from its sales at the minute but aslo to ensure that those who are unfortunate enough to be on drugs are in fact getting what they want and not anything that is mixed with the likes of rat poison etc. the money made should be used to educate youngsters to the ills of drug use and also for drug rehabilitation units even if that does sound paradoxical. Spot on Mugsey. As I said, legalised licenced selling would drive the dealers out of business and would hopefully eliminate the bad side of drugs. i.e Less crime, safer product, the ability to identify and offer help to the taker, getting the whole thing off the school playground and back streets, another taxable product. The only point i would disagree with you on, is describing the takers as "unfortunate". They know the risks, and the still make the decision. Sorry to anyone who knows someone in the situation but my wife deals with these people all the time and they (the majority anyway) simply do not want to help themselves. They are not "Unfortunate", they are "Guilty". while i agree that there is hell of a lot of "guilty" people out there, i think you'll find there is also a lot of people who maybe down to thier own weaknesses slip into this way of life through no conscious descision of thier own. there is a massive amount of people out there who have problems and really dont know how they got where they are and are begging out for a way to break the cycle but just dont know where to turn. A scheme along the lines of those mentioned by D'su, if given the right media coverage, could really help a hell of a lot of people put thier lives back on track.



Wickywhite	27th October 2007 - 10:47 AM Post #9
best all-rounder Posts: 14,962 Group: Moderator Member #10 Joined: 23 November 2003	While I would agree to a certain extent that some people choose to live an addicts life and don't want to leave it, I've known a lot of people who've become involved with drugs during a low point in their life and find themselves unable to get out of it. I've also, sadly buried a few friends who've been addicted but I have never personally known an addict who would rob a granny or burgle someone's home. I know they exist but I also know people who have managed to hold down jobs, even run their own businesses, albeit to the detriment of their family lives. I would never, ever advocate the use of hard drugs, and even have my misgivings about cannabis after having been a regular user for much of my adult life (though I haven't touched it since I left the ex). I really don't know how we are going to stop drugs from ruining so many lives- Col's idea is good in theory, but getting it into practise is another matter entirely, especially when so many views are blinkered about the issue.



Sir Quej Of Quejdom	28th October 2007 - 10:47 PM Post #10
100% Leeds Posts: 1,611 Group: Members Member #414 Joined: 4 June 2004	Wickywhite Oct 27 2007, 09:47 AM While I would agree to a certain extent that some people choose to live an addicts life and don't want to leave it, I've known a lot of people who've become involved with drugs during a low point in their life and find themselves unable to get out of it. I've also, sadly buried a few friends who've been addicted but I have never personally known an addict who would rob a granny or burgle someone's home. I know they exist but I also know people who have managed to hold down jobs, even run their own businesses, albeit to the detriment of their family lives. I would never, ever advocate the use of hard drugs, and even have my misgivings about cannabis after having been a regular user for much of my adult life (though I haven't touched it since I left the ex). I really don't know how we are going to stop drugs from ruining so many lives- Col's idea is good in theory, but getting it into practise is another matter entirely, especially when so many views are blinkered about the issue. This is why I said "the vast majority" dont want to help themselves. We can make excuses for these people all day long. We all have troubled times in our lives but only the most ridiculously stupid person can possibly think turning to class a drugs is going to make things better. That said, I know not all addicts are completely at fault and there are some who with a lot of help could brake that routine. I refer back to my previous posts where I suggest drugs being sold from clinics where help could be offered to users. It is far easier to help a user if they have to walk through your door to get their fix. My views on this are not blinkered, they are born from personal experience and the knowledge of my wife who deals with crimal addicts all day long. The softly softly approach simply does not work with these people (on the whole). My Webpage



Wickywhite	29th October 2007 - 11:53 AM Post #11
best all-rounder Posts: 14,962 Group: Moderator Member #10 Joined: 23 November 2003	Sir Quej Of Quejdom Oct 28 2007, 09:47 PM Wickywhite Oct 27 2007, 09:47 AM While I would agree to a certain extent that some people choose to live an addicts life and don't want to leave it, I've known a lot of people who've become involved with drugs during a low point in their life and find themselves unable to get out of it. I've also, sadly buried a few friends who've been addicted but I have never personally known an addict who would rob a granny or burgle someone's home. I know they exist but I also know people who have managed to hold down jobs, even run their own businesses, albeit to the detriment of their family lives. I would never, ever advocate the use of hard drugs, and even have my misgivings about cannabis after having been a regular user for much of my adult life (though I haven't touched it since I left the ex). I really don't know how we are going to stop drugs from ruining so many lives- Col's idea is good in theory, but getting it into practise is another matter entirely, especially when so many views are blinkered about the issue. This is why I said "the vast majority" dont want to help themselves. We can make excuses for these people all day long. We all have troubled times in our lives but only the most ridiculously stupid person can possibly think turning to class a drugs is going to make things better. That said, I know not all addicts are completely at fault and there are some who with a lot of help could brake that routine. I refer back to my previous posts where I suggest drugs being sold from clinics where help could be offered to users. It is far easier to help a user if they have to walk through your door to get their fix. My views on this are not blinkered, they are born from personal experience and the knowledge of my wife who deals with crimal addicts all day long. The softly softly approach simply does not work with these people (on the whole). My Webpage Quej, I'm not suggesting that your views are blinkered for a second. I'm referring to the public at large who generally consider addicts to be dirty, workshy criminals- I know there's a lot of them about, but I've been to the funerals of 4 people who came from privileged backgrounds and had the support of their families. Drugs can and will kill anyone who let's their guard down.



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