EU Treaty

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EU Treaty
Topic Started: 22nd June 2007 - 10:14 AM (218 Views)
Milgod	22nd June 2007 - 10:14 AM Post #1
Giver of REBELOVE !!! Posts: 21,973 Group: Moderator Member #346 Joined: 30 March 2004	Come on, I know the rebels will have some opinions on this. Will you be happy if the EU treaty is agreed? Do you think it will affect the UK that much? I'm sure there are one or two of you that would like to leave the EU all together.



Stubbsy	22nd June 2007 - 01:27 PM Post #2
100% Leeds Posts: 3,731 Group: Members Member #748 Joined: 1 November 2005	We've never needed europe before, and we don't need it now. Certainly don't need a treaty, those who say we're in control of our own situation are wrong, we can leave the EU at any time, but in reality it'll not happen.



Sir Quej Of Quejdom	22nd June 2007 - 01:33 PM Post #3
100% Leeds Posts: 1,611 Group: Members Member #414 Joined: 4 June 2004	I think the whole EU debate is impossible to decide either way really. As with everything, the EU comes with both good and bad things attached. You just have to decide wether the good things outway the bad things or vica versa. As each persons priorities are completeley different to anothers, I dont think their is a right and wrong answer to this debate. Personally, I have not looked into it enough, or know enough about the pro's and cons to form a solid opinion either way.



Milgod	22nd June 2007 - 02:31 PM Post #4
Giver of REBELOVE !!! Posts: 21,973 Group: Moderator Member #346 Joined: 30 March 2004	Stubbsy Jun 22 2007, 01:27 PM We've never needed europe before, and we don't need it now. Certainly don't need a treaty, those who say we're in control of our own situation are wrong, we can leave the EU at any time, but in reality it'll not happen. Do you think the UK would be better off leaving the EU then?



Stubbsy	22nd June 2007 - 03:18 PM Post #5
100% Leeds Posts: 3,731 Group: Members Member #748 Joined: 1 November 2005	Milgod Jun 22 2007, 02:31 PM Do you think the UK would be better off leaving the EU then? Yeah, we gain nothing from it. The only major positive from the EU is the free market, however countries outside of the EU have shown it's just as easy to trade outside of the EU, and that if people want to trade, you don't need an organisation to regulate it. Non-EU countries often trade on better terms than us, so where is the positive? The "three pillars" which are fundamental to the EU are this common market, and then the legal process, the judicial system in particular - in that the EU court is supreme, which we gain nothing from, however we lose our sovereignty to a large extent because of it. Then there is the policing side of it, the common police force, which isn't used, and hasn't helped us in iraq or afghanistan, so it's practically useless towards us. The EU was a good idea 50 years ago, it prevented war and sought to find common ground across europe, however it's outdated and will never work evenly, for example the Common Agricultural Policy will always benefit france hugely, to the extent where the UK is paying french farmers, i can think of better ways to spend our money. I wouldn't take us out of the EU hastly, however i'd certainly call for a referendum on the matter, with educated arguments from both sides, so that we can really see the real pro's and con's of the EU. We went into it without a real referendum on the matter, it's about time the people were asked what they wanted to do, considering we supposedly live in a democratic society.



305miles2EllandRd	22nd October 2007 - 07:22 PM Post #6
Stand up Comedian Posts: 3,934 Group: Members Member #98 Joined: 5 December 2003	Stubbsy Jun 22 2007, 03:18 PM Yeah, we gain nothing from it. The only major positive from the EU is the free market, however countries outside of the EU have shown it's just as easy to trade outside of the EU, and that if people want to trade, you don't need an organisation to regulate it. Non-EU countries often trade on better terms than us, so where is the positive? The "three pillars" which are fundamental to the EU are this common market, and then the legal process, the judicial system in particular - in that the EU court is supreme, which we gain nothing from, however we lose our sovereignty to a large extent because of it. Then there is the policing side of it, the common police force, which isn't used, and hasn't helped us in iraq or afghanistan, so it's practically useless towards us. The EU was a good idea 50 years ago, it prevented war and sought to find common ground across europe, however it's outdated and will never work evenly, for example the Common Agricultural Policy will always benefit france hugely, to the extent where the UK is paying french farmers, i can think of better ways to spend our money. I wouldn't take us out of the EU hastly, however i'd certainly call for a referendum on the matter, with educated arguments from both sides, so that we can really see the real pro's and con's of the EU. We went into it without a real referendum on the matter, it's about time the people were asked what they wanted to do, considering we supposedly live in a democratic society. I agree with my learned friend :lolanimate:



Stubbsy	22nd October 2007 - 08:24 PM Post #7
100% Leeds Posts: 3,731 Group: Members Member #748 Joined: 1 November 2005	305miles2EllandRd Oct 22 2007, 07:22 PM I agree with my learned friend :lolanimate: :D I officially feel sorry for you mate, started studying property and trust law, my head is in tatters.



305miles2EllandRd	23rd October 2007 - 06:49 PM Post #8
Stand up Comedian Posts: 3,934 Group: Members Member #98 Joined: 5 December 2003	Stubbsy Oct 22 2007, 08:24 PM :D I officially feel sorry for you mate, started studying property and trust law, my head is in tatters. Wait until you get to European law and Constitutional Law - then you will have something to maon about :nono:



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