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Religion
Topic Started: 6th February 2007 - 03:32 PM (799 Views)
Headingley White 28th December 2007 - 12:41 AM Post #31
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Dec 25 2007, 09:59 PM
As possibly one of my last posts on this board I'd like to drag up this old post, a post I have avoided until now.

Religion practiced privately by people who still accept science and reason while believing in a god (or gods) do not overly concern me. Deism while rejecting dogma and doctrine harms nobody. Dennett, Dawkins, et al strongly argue against this stance, as they believe moderates allow fundamentalists scope to push their agendas. I am not so hard line on this, as I don't know enough about it.

What scares the shit out of me are the likes of Pat Robertson, who are religious fundamentalists with a political leaning. The secular society in which we almost live is something to be protected, and fought for if neccessary. We must not allow religion to have any say in how governments are run, but we must equally not single out any particular religion as the 'enemy', as they ALL have their own evils.

I'll leave it to Hitchens and Harris to go into detail on this (Hitchens 'God is Not Great' is a brilliant read, far more lucid than Dawkins 'God Delusion' which at times argues against itself), however the growing status of (mainly Jewish and Christian) religion in the face of anti-Muslim media and government propaganda is something that is going to take our species down a long and ultimately destructive road.

I seriously recommend everybody read Hitchens book as mentioned above, or failing that the much shorter 'letter to a christian nation' by Sam Harris. Faith should never be fancied over reason, but since 9/11 there has been a lot of headway to be had by the Jewish and Christian evangelists looking to push through their own agendas.

Be very afraid. I am.

It's the way he tells em! Where are you off to - Afghanistan to further your studies?

You lot who like to blame Christianity, Judaism and the Daily Mail for the problems we have never cease to amaze me. Do you believe (as many British Muslims do) that 7/7 was a Government plot to turn people against Islam?

Just to balance your reading check out the brilliant Melanie Phillips' Londonistan - How Britain is creating a terror state within.


Whoosh, swing, and the point is missed.

Balance my reading? You are so far wrong on that front its funny. I've read many books on both side of the argument (though as mentioned I claim no enhanced status in this debate despite it being my current whore), I'm engaged to a former theology student who is very pro-religion, and, perhaps most importantly, I've had my opinion swayed by logic and reason.

Don't accuse me of being an Islam sypathiser to try and further your silly point(less diatribe). Your McCarthyism here is apparent given your form on such debates.

I'm not blaming christianity or judaism, I am not even 'blaming' anyone. I am stating my concern at the increased religious input in politics in supposedly secular governments, which leads down a very dangerous road. You have a record of anti-muslim posts, and are as racist as the day is long. Littlejohn is your fuhrer, you spineless Islamophobe.

I don't believe 7/7 was a plot. I'm an atheist, not a conspiracy theorist. Your post misses the point (again) so much that I'm not going to bother responding any further. You've got your half-bite, but you hammered your thumb, not the nail.
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